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Ok, I understand a panic run on certain items causing a temporary shortage, I also understand items that have limited producers running in short supply if one of those producers have a interruption in production due to man made or natural causes. What I am having trouble understanding is the short supply of reloading components lingering on for almost two years now. The industry was able to adjust to demand and supply enough brass, bullets, powder and primers to arm the allies in WW-1, WW-2 (maybe the biggest demand in U.S. history), Korea, and Vietnam but for some reason today they can't seem to keep up with the demand of the American sportsman even for the .22 rimfire.
I don't like the inflated prices on what I can locate for sale but I really get aggravated when my online shopping reveals more of what I am looking for is out of stock than in stock.
I know it is what it is but I wish I could understand why it is what it is.
 

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I don't have an answer to your question, just guesses.
There's a Remington plant 60 miles from me and I have a few relatives and friends working there. They produce 22's and 223 ammo. They are running 24/7 plus overtime and can't keep up. 2 years ago each employee could buy one brick of 22's at product cost per month. Now it every 3 months and about half of retail. They can't keep a large supply of material on hand anymore and sometimes run out between shipments. With the pandemic every other machine is shut down to give employees space.
 

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The problem is that people have got so they depend on the government to provide so many things for them. I'm not just talking about people on welfare and not just referring to security and food. There is the idea out there that if something happens that the government will step in and fix it and provide until things are fixed.

The fact is that in normal times they actually do this to a great extent. Those of us here are not preparing for a normal short-term collapse. The day after a hurricane a few years ago the county here was providing a case of water and a few MREs to those that needed them. The line in my little town was MILES long. LOL, I drove by them on my way to Walmart where water in gallons was still available. The cases of bottled water were gone but the gallons were still in stock??? I was there for milk and soda which were also in stock.

Hurricanes don't sneak up on you!! When one is coming in you fill your bathtubs up so you can flush the toilet and put back some gallon jugs for drinking....unless you are just too stupid to live without a caretaker. Being raised on the coast was a good education on preparedness for me. I remember one time when we had a near miss and the power was down for a couple of days. One of the neighbors had to borrow a can opener. They had canned food but electric can-openers just don't work without power. Whoda thunk it?
 

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With the pandemic every other machine is shut down to give employees space.
That does make sense. I have a buddy who grew up in the same small town as I did that went to work for Olin the producers of Winchester Western ammo over north of St. Louis, when the .22 rimfire crunch first hit I asked him what the deal was, he assured me it was not a production slow down as they had added a third shift.

While hoarders may have an impact on local retail the major wholesalers (Zanders for example) can't get supply either and they have access before anybody has the chance to hoard. Even with mass hoarding, IMO the industry has had ample time to tool up for the increased demand.

Oh well, I used to reload for recreation and unless I buy some new cal. firearm I likely have enough centerfire loaded up to supply me the rest of my life. I would like to see .22's readily available again though.
 

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I would wonder if the company getting paid a premium price while only having the expense of using half the employees and half the equipment could have anything to do with it.

every time anything causes any shortage in gas, either actual or imagined, what happens to the gas prices.

Just makes you stop and think.
 

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Would you call me a hoarder? I haven't bought any reloading supplies since 2011. Back then I was on all the supplier's email notice list. I would get notices on sales. Midway USA had a black Friday sale that lasted a month. I could check on an item, it might be high 1 hour and later low. When Wolf SMP primers were $13.50 per carton I bought all 65 lbs I could. That was the hazmat limit at the time. Later a reloading supplier worked a gun show close by and asked for help during the show. I helped set up Friday night and got a sleeve of Wolf SP primers for my time. He pushed 2 bottles of HP-38 powder off the display. Clean it up and take it home if you wish. I worked Saturday and Sunday with his display, mostly getting large orders to customer's cars and the cart back to the display. I got a sleeve of Wolf SP primers for each day. Saturday morning before the show opened another dealer had some items to pick up and deliver, I got 2 lbs of HP-38 for my time. Sunday night I helped load his display back into the trailer, got another sleeve of Wolf SP primers.
 

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Naw, I wouldn't call you a hoarder. Like I said I used to reload for something to do on a rainy afternoon or when the boredom beast was after me. Lead was cheap or free so I would spend a few hrs. casting .38 wadcutters then a few more casting .44 semi wadcutters. Another rainy day I would size and lube those cast bullets and sooner or later load them. When I first started loading and was shooting competition I pretty well kept the supply of loaded rounds shot up but as time went by I quit shooting as much but kept on loading for something to do. Of course when I got the opportunity to get a good buy on bulk powder, primers, bullets I didn't cast and on occasion brass I bought it until I got to the point of having hundreds of loaded rounds and at least a thousand in some cals. More than I will shoot the rest of my life. IMO a hoarder is the folks who showed up at my local giant retailer (WM) every Tuesday morning when they put the .22 shells out for sale and bought all they would let them have bringing their wives, sisters, kids and anyone else they could enlist to buy for them. I have one buddy who has an old round cornered frig. with the old latching door in his shop, the compressor is disconnected but the light is wired to stay on 24/7 to maintain a constant temp. and humidity, I don't think there is room for another single box of 50 .22 shells in that frig. I would call him a hoarder.
 

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Back when my wife worked the 6 pm to 2 am shift at the casino she gave a ride with one other employee. Their Monday and Friday after work was a trip to walmart. She would stop by to get me. Margie worked the sporting goods at that time. We 3 would get the 3 box limit of ammo needed at the time. I would pay the person back for what they bought. I had a large stack of 22's, all brands. I bought the younger granddaughters a cricket. I give them a few boxes when they need them. Their shooting area has a good layer of 22 cases. The oldest can join the 4H shooting team in April after her birthday. Both want to follow their brother and be on the high school mcjrotc shooting team.
 

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25 years ago the railroad gave me a 2 weeks notice that I would be going to a week long air brake class near Pittsburgh, PA. I search craigslist in that area for things I might want. I found a 5 gallon bucket filled with 38 spl brass at a super low price. I packed my Lee C frame press that has been carried everywhere and a decapping die with extra pin. From the airport to the hotel we picked up the bucket. Every morning and evening I would decap brass. With the help from the desk clerk we made the bucket my check-in luggage for the flight home. The spent primers went into the air brake company's scrap bin.
 

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Ok, I understand a panic run on certain items causing a temporary shortage, I also understand items that have limited producers running in short supply if one of those producers have a interruption in production due to man made or natural causes. What I am having trouble understanding is the short supply of reloading components lingering on for almost two years now. The industry was able to adjust to demand and supply enough brass, bullets, powder and primers to arm the allies in WW-1, WW-2 (maybe the biggest demand in U.S. history), Korea, and Vietnam but for some reason today they can't seem to keep up with the demand of the American sportsman even for the .22 rimfire.
I don't like the inflated prices on what I can locate for sale but I really get aggravated when my online shopping reveals more of what I am looking for is out of stock than in stock.
I know it is what it is but I wish I could understand why it is what it is.
This is only a personal opinion, and likely only part of an explanation...but...if you can't take away the guns...take away the ammo...
 

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This is only a personal opinion, and likely only part of an explanation...but...if you can't take away the guns...take away the ammo...
P.S. And part two of this would be...those same people who are choking off the supply of ammo...are choking off the supply of lots of things. I get it when
the shipments from oversees is hindered. But can someone please tell me why I can't get things made here in the U.S. unless someone is deliberately blocking them ? I sincerely believe that certain people are trying to make the U.S. fall into monitary ruin in order to save us by going socialist.
 

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If you believe ammo is being restricted, let us know what new regulations have been added that would cause the delays. If it was caused by any change in the laws, you would have heard it shouted from everywhere. If the companies were under new restrictions, they would have said so. So, it is either people hoarding or companies intentionally keeping the prices high.
 
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