Watch Your Back Fishing

Discussion in 'General Conversation' started by 01 Mudslinger, May 12, 2006.

  1. 01 Mudslinger

    01 Mudslinger New Member

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    went out to riverside this evening, just so happen triston was out there checkin it out while i was puttin in, we both gave the i thinks thats him looks. started talkin and he went back to get his boat while i went on out and we met back up later and he showed me a good spot and told me about some others, we were up next to the train tressle and the whole time people were walkin across it, then just before dark something interestin happened, atleast 2 people up there were arguin pretty serious, i mean screaming, dude sounded like he was strung out on something, heard somebody screaming NOOOO, we were actually expecting shots to be fired thats how bad it was. we left, i came on back home because i had duty last nite and havent been to bed since yesterday morning, but i was thinkin, ya never know, somebody could pop shots off up on that tressle or any of those crossin and pretty much get away with it, all these crazy bastards runnin around fayetteville all strung out. so just make sure yall dont let yer gaurds down out there, wouldnt want anybody gettin hurt out there, im goin back out tomorrow nite, thinks ill be packing the 12 guage.
     
  2. bmaultbay

    bmaultbay New Member

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    a few years back, about 15 or so, me and a buddy were fishing cross creeks, heard shots, stuff satred hitting the water around us. you never know. not sure that packin is the right answer, we couldn't see where those shots were coming from. its best if you can to just leave the area, as you did, then report to police.
     

  3. pursuing_cats

    pursuing_cats New Member

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    Brian, could it have been Aftercats, he can't seem to hit anything anyways
     
  4. bmaultbay

    bmaultbay New Member

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    yeah, he might have been fishing, i mean squirrel hunting, well shooting at them anyway.
     
  5. lightningmetal10

    lightningmetal10 New Member

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    eh man worst i had was a few drunk guys messin with me... but when guns come into the picture id drag the cops in on that man.... dont take the law into ur own hands it can only end badly... And theres no fishing in jail.... In there you're the fish and those big rapist fisherman can do w/e they want to you lol
    Joe
     
  6. 01 Mudslinger

    01 Mudslinger New Member

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    dont take it the wrong way guys, im not gone go blowin nobodies head off cuz i think they may shoot at me, hell even in iraq we couldnt do that till they fired the first shot, but you better bet yer ass, if somebody gonna shoot at me, and i see em, i will shoot back, and its a damn shame that the world is coming to this, but it will just keep gettin worse.
     
  7. ponykilr

    ponykilr New Member

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    if you see ponykilr on the water, he is armed. heck, if you see ponykilr anywhere he is armed. i aint billybad or nuthin', but my fightin' days are over. i am old, fat(ok, slightly chubby) and slow. i have been certified and licensed by this fine state to carry and protect myself and my kin and friends. there are crazy people out at night. boat ramps seem to be magnets for em. i have been "sure" several times that this was gonna be "it".

    it is indeed a sad world when you have to carry to feel like you have a chance to survive.

    dark ramp, 2:18 a.m., you are alone. you're tired, sleepy and just trying to get the boat on the trailer. you notice the 3 fellas walking toward your truck, they just split up. 2 come straight at you, where'd the other one go? no one else within hollering distance. just you, and 3 thugs looking for easy money, and some sadistic fun.

    2 ways it can go. you get the crap kicked out of you, loose your money, maybe your veh., maybe something more precious.
    you can back up to your truck, draw your weapon, and hope like the dickens that they realize this aint gonna be easy.

    ammo is cheap, guns are tools. train like it's your life on the line. cause it might be. stay safe.
     
  8. 01 Mudslinger

    01 Mudslinger New Member

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    well said man, the law aint gonna protect ya when you aint got time to call em sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do. i didnt spend to deployments in iraq, to get jumped or killed at a damn boat ramp tryin to relax doin some fishing.
     
  9. Tarheel

    Tarheel New Member

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    There's a reason the state issues licenses for citizens to carry. The licensing process isn't easy either. You have to have classes, no criminal record, no mental record, pass a test. You get finger printed and put on file. Ask almost any police officer and they will tell you that anytime they come in contact with a licensed citizen, they are assured this is a "clean cookie".......

    If you're in possesion of your weapon you can't comsume even 1 ounce of alcohol. I agree, when done properly and legally, it is needed at times in this world we live in.

    Any licensed citizen also has the legal obligation to retreat whenever possible. The gun is a last line of defense and you are taught that in the classes.
     
  10. ponykilr

    ponykilr New Member

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    i agree that most times, officers will relax a little once they see you are a ccw holder and are complying with their requests.
    however, there are cops who do not like citizens being able to defend themselves. some cops are raging liberals.

    i dont drink alcohol anyway, but you are right. even if it's a righteous shooting, if you are found to have consumed any illegal substance or alcohol, you are screwed.

    you have a "duty" to retreat if possible. this does not mean you have to run down the road to get away. this means that: IF POSSIBLE, to get yourself out of danger by leaving the scene, driving away, going inside, whatever.
    this could only apply to our boat ramp scenerio if you have time to get into your truck, and are sure that the attackers have not got a way to stop your escape(shooting you through a window). do not get yourself in a worse situation in trying to retreat.

    by backing up to your veh, saying loudly and clearly "i have a gun, STOP", you will take care of 99% of the problems before they start. if it comes to it, there are 2 different schools of thought, and you need to have your mind made up long before this situation presents itself.
    1-draw to stop, frighten; then if the situation escalates, use force to stop. trigger guard clear, never put your finger on the trigger unless you are going to shoot
    2-only draw if you intend to shoot.

    training is the key. having a made up mind is a priority. having a "win" mindset is what will get you through a bad situation, more so than being a "crack" pistol shot.

    if you are ever forced to shoot, when the police/sherriff arrive, say as little as possible and voluteer no information unless it is in responce to a direct question.
    things to say-
    "i was in fear for my life"
    "i shouted that i had a gun, and told him/them to stop"
    "i fired to protect myself(my kid, ect.)"
    "i need to speak to my lawyer"

    if the officers see that you were forced to shoot, and the scene backs up your story, you probably will not be charged or even taken to the station.

    if you go to trial(some DA's love to take up cases like this and make a citizen into a criminal) you will loose a lot of money to a lawyer, loose time in court and be made to feel like a killer. but you will be alive

    choosing to ccw is a serious thing. you take a lot of responsibility, and liability into your hands. by doing so, you are choosing to take your and your loved ones protection into your own hands. it is a basic right, and one that is guaranteed by our constitution in the second ammendment.
    it is not a license to posture, pick fights, be verbally abusive or generally be "billy bad". if you do not have a ccw license, i urge you to excercise your second ammendment rights and take the class and apply for your carry permit. it may just save your life, or the life of someone you love.

    stay safe, paul
     
  11. 01 Mudslinger

    01 Mudslinger New Member

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    its one of those things everybody has opinions, and great points to bring up but nobody really knows what they would do if they were in a situation like that, the army teaches draw your weapon, let em see it, let em know your serious, tell them to stop, if they dont stop, be forceful and try to stop them, then as last resort shoot. but also says if situation dictates and no time is available skip to the shoot part, its all being in good judgment and being alert and calm as possible of course under stressful situations. ive seen countless people freeze up and forget everything. some people handle stress differently. but it all comes back to this, if you fear for your life and you honestly in your heart think its fixin to be the end, dont hesitate to do what you have to do to stay alive, cuz in the end it would be a honest fisherman out tryin to relax and enjoy fishing vs. more than likely some lowlife scumbag, crack addict, or homeless bum that possibly the cops already know are trouble and have seen lurking around before.
     
  12. AllenM

    AllenM Guest

    I have to agree with ppl who carry. I, myself, was a bit stupid in my early 20's, living in a dorm at Job Corps in Reno NV. Found out through the grape vine that some idiot gang bangers from various locations who were job corps students and far from their own turfs had clicked up and been trying to claim turf down town. The local gang bangers put the word out that they were going to come "shoot up Job Corps" I had just married my ex wife, another job corps student whom I'd met and dated for a few months there (another mistake!) and for protection I'd gone down town, bought a Jennings .22 automatic, and kept in on me most of the time "just in case". Sure as anything, one night the locals did a drive by and blew a bunch of holes in the wall of the front dormatory, but luckily, my ex wife and I were downtown when it happened, so I never got involved. Once that BS was over I pretty much left the thing locked up in my dorm room closet. One day they did a "surprise inspection" and it got me kicked out of job corps. The cops told me there was no crime involved since the weapon was registered and was in a locked enclosure, so job corp shipped me off to my home of record and I thought that was the end of it....

    A few years later I moved to S. Lake Taho, got a job in a casino working security, and when I went to the county sherrif's office for my security license they locked me up!! My public defender didn't show up, the baliff suggested I just plead guilty to unlawfully carrying a concealed weapon, and pay the fine as opposed to getting hit for the charge of posession of a firearm on school property, since the D.A. decided to try for that since as it turned out, Job Corps was leasing the property from the college! Talk about rail roaded!!

    That was over 10 years ago though, and out of state from where I live now, so who knows... I might be able to get a ccw permit if I ever get the money and the mind to do so.
     
  13. Dnedster

    Dnedster New Member

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    Have you had problems while fishing or are you just getting ready. I have no prob with throwing a punk in the river kicking the balls or wapping them with my best rod LMAO I'm allways ready don't take no shit would rather have some beers but will protect myself.

    Ned
     
  14. catfishkatmando

    catfishkatmando New Member

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    When I am out almost always got 2 dogs 1 that barks here and bites there and the other is a fairly large black wolf/sheapherd. I had an almost incident conoe camping on the Lampasas river in TX . there were 3 rough looking homeless types washing clothes on the river bank and they semed to be very interested in what I had in my canoe until old bud sticks up his head. What ever get it done works for me

    SEE YOU ON THE FISH BANK SOME TIME
     
  15. 01 Mudslinger

    01 Mudslinger New Member

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    well im on my way back out there shortly, gone leave here about 7 should be in the water by 8, maybe ill see somebody out there, yall have fun dont catch em all.
     
  16. bigblaze

    bigblaze New Member

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    I support an agree with everyone about doing whatever it takes to defend yourself and property....

    One of our fellow members (fwmud) (Keith Sword) was carrying at the boat ramp in E town and got a citation for it because it is against the law to have a weapon on a public boat ramp....

    I asked him what he was going to do next time and he said "I will probably get another ticket" because he was gonna still carry to protect himself and his family.....cant blame him!
     
  17. ponykilr

    ponykilr New Member

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    it is illegal to carry at a wildlife ramp, not any public ramp. i emailed the state about this last year. the response was you would be issued a citation if you have a loaded weapon at a state ramp. but the way i conceal and the gear i use, unless i am frisked, nobody knows but me. they advised me to unload my pistol while at the ramp.....whatever:roll_eyes:

    it's a law i choose to break. call me crazy that way. just because it's a state ramp will not deter criminals and thugs. i will just have to chance it. if i am caught, i'll pay the fine. both ramps in smithfield are not state ramps. i have been there with a wildlife officer there and he just wanted to know what caliber my glock was(i had it in a regular belt holster).

    civil disobediance is a tradition in the united states, it's how we got started:lol: