Went last night for a couple hours and tried another experiment. I used hog wild on one pole and worms on the other. The worms outfished the dip 2 fish to 0. Also had a groaning beaver cruising up and down the river, never heard them do that before. I got here at about 5:45 and within 30 minutes caught 2 little channels then when it started to get dark all the bites stopped. It was really wierd. Maybe thats when the big flattie moved in...at least thats what I'd like to think.:wink: Maybe I should have strung up one of those little channels and tried to see what it was??!!??!!??!!??:big_smile: Oh well..another beautiful night on the dirty verde.