Just a quick blurb about one of the new style rod holders I've come up with. Take a length of 1 1/2" PVC I usually keep em' about 2' in length. You also need a length of rebar to pound into the ground until you feel it is secure then have about 6-8" sticking out above the ground. Take a pool noodle and cut it in 10" sections, then cut them in half lengthwise (may have to trim a little more off depending on the noodle) Stuff it down the end of the PVC the stake will go in. this gives you a small channel for the stake to go in, and eliminates the extra room for the pvc to rock around. The stake can be driven in at any angle you prefer, very handy, very portable, and, with one noodle, one pvc length, and one rebar length you can make quite a few fairly cheeply. Hope this helps somebody. Richard:0a36: Looky there I'm a Swordsman!!!