Thanks Tony for putting them in a format that I could up load here. Here are the drawings that I made of how I thrw line. Hope this helps. I went ahead loaded up the drawing of the set hook too. You can tell it, as it has one hook, on one line. Got lucky today, they are taring down a old school in the town where I work, and I got 22, 12-16 lbs window weights for end weights on my throw lines. Boy I needed them too. I have lost so many to the river over the years. I talked to the guys doing the work and they said they would save me all the ones from the other bldgs as they tare them down. I am proud as can be to get them. Later. Well I posted them and went back and looked, they didn't not come out as clear as they did in the orignal Excel file. But I think you can see what I am talking about. Thanks again Tony for helping change the format.