This might help the a different oil problem..

Discussion in 'General Conversation' started by KATMANDETTE, May 9, 2007.

  1. KATMANDETTE

    KATMANDETTE New Member

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    DON'T BUY CITGO'S GAS

    CHAVEZ IS EVIL AND HATES AMERICANS

    HE IS A BILLIONAIRE BECAUSE OF US TERRIBLE AMERICANS



    JUST SAY NO TO CITGO




    The RUSSIANS are building an AK-47 Kalashnikov Assault Rifle factory in
    Venezuela, to give armament support to Communist Rebel groups throughout the Americas.

    Chavez NOW has IRANIANS operating his oil refineries in Venezuela for him.

    It is likely only a matter of time, if not already, before Chavez has
    Iranian built LONG RANGE missiles, with a variety of warhead types aimed
    at: Guess Who?

    CITGO is NOW in the process of Changing Its Name to PETRO EXPRESS due to
    the loss of gasoline sales in the USA due to the recent publicity of
    ownership by Chavez of Venezuela.

    Every dollar you spend with CITGO or PETRO EXPRESS gasoline will be used
    against you, your basic human rights, and your freedoms. He will start wars here in the
    Americas that will probably be the death of millions of free people.

    THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT because Chavez is starting to feel the loss of
    revenue from his holdings.

    HE OWNS CITGO. This is a very important move that everyone should be aware
    of.

    ANNOUNCED JUST RECENTLY, CITGO, BEING AWARE THAT SALES ARE DOWN DUE TO
    U.S. CUSTOMERS NOT WANTING TO BUY FROM "CITGO-CHAVEZ", HAVE STARTED TO
    CHANGE THE NAME OF SOME OF THEIR STORES TO: "PETRO EXPRESS"

    DO NOT BUY FROM "PETRO EXPRESS" EITHER!!!

    "PETRO EXPRESS" IS ALSO 100% OWNED BY "CHAVEZ."

    KEEP THIS MEMO GOING SO THAT EVERYONE KNOWS WHAT IS HAPPENING.

    BOYCOTT "CITGO" AND "PETRO EXPRESS".............MAKE SURE THIS IS PASSED
    ON TO EVERYONE IN THE UNITED STATES AND OUTSIDE OF AMERICA :crazy: :crazy:
     
  2. Mark J

    Mark J New Member

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    Venezuela has been our second largest supplier of oil behind Canada.
    As of recent I'm not sure because we are importing more from the middleast.
    At any rate the most interesting factor with Venezuela is their dependency on the US to purchase oil. They are 44% dependent on the US.
    Not buying Citgo helps but Citgo is just one company. I would imagine most anyone you purchase fuel from, some of that oil its produced from or refined fuels finds its origin in Venezuela.

    This is a state department issue.
    To bring Chavez to his knees the state department would have to blockade Venezuelan crude or refined fuels from entering the US. At a 44% dependency on the US for sales that would hurt a ton.
    But are we ready to pay even more at the pumps if that were to happen?
    Our primary source of oil is Canada. Its close as is Venezuela in terms of shipping.
    We also buy alot of oil from Mexico. Put the squeeze on them for all this condoned illegal immigration by reducing oil purchases. Fuel at the pump goes up.

    I cant imagine what the cost of shipping a tanker load of oil from the middleast is?

    We have to get our ducks in a row here before we start squeezing on someone else.
    We need to open ANWR and the east and west coasts for exploration and lower restrictions for new refineries to built and operated here.

    When we can drasticly reduce our global dependency on oil we are in total control.
    We can make or break governments with the swipe of a pen with a very minute amount of military involvement.
    Right now as we have seen that is the other way around in every aspect.
    This process needs to be reversed.

    If governments want to be friendly we can show gratitude by subsidizing some oil imports.
    When they shows signs of hostility cut em off completely and increase production here.
     

  3. Mickey

    Mickey New Member Supporting Member

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    Thanks for the info. This is info that needs to be passed on.What american people choose to do can impact these oil companies. We all need to work together for this great country.:big_smile:
     
  4. bwillaub

    bwillaub New Member

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    Gas hit $3.00 again here today. Alternative fuel is where we need to be investing our resources. A hydrogen automobile makes a lot of sense to me. Oh well, it's just money.
     
  5. jtrew

    jtrew New Member

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    I saw a TV program a few weeks ago about various concept cars built by the various car companies. One of those cars had great acceleration, and got 70mpg at 150mph. Yeah, that got my attention, too. 70mpg @ 150mph! Then came the shocker. The name of the company.........Hyundai. HYUNDAI??? I've got socks older than that company. So, why aren't larger, older companies producing cars like this? Companies like: GM, Ford, Chrysler, Toyota, & Nissan? I'm probably wrong, but it sure brings back memories of growing up hearing stories about someone developing technology to produce a car that got 200mpg, only to have that technology "disappear". Alternative/renewable energy sources are certainly better used for transportation than petroleum, because it can be used for many other things. But, in a shorter term, perhaps an answer is to simply use the energy existing in a gallon of gasoline, rather than wasting most of it. A gallon of gas is equal in energy to 16 sticks of dynamite, so the energy is there. If we could utilize most of the energy of gasoline, rather than what we currently utilize, we could probably cut our petroleum needs to 20% of what we now use. That would get us self-sufficient and other countries could drink their oil and eat sand.
    Almost 30 years ago, someone received a prize of $100,000 for achieving a particular goal in human-powered flight. A good bit of money at the time, but not when you consider the cost of developing new technologh. Still, that prize helped get that technology developed. A 200mpg car would have much more impact on our society than human-powered flight. How about the guv'mint putting up a $50,000,000 - $100,000,000 prize for the first individual, group, or company that comes up with a commercially viable 200mpg car? While that probably won't be enough to interest the big companies, it should interest some smaller ones. (Caution: Evil thought coming.) Maybe it's because selling fewer gallons of gas would mean fewer dollars in taxes??? Nah! Our guv'mint wouldn't do something like that..........would they.
     
  6. plumbertom1

    plumbertom1 Well-Known Member

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    Where do you get the energy to produce the hydrogen? Don't say solar because to produce hydrogen with solar power make it economically unfeasible. It's been tried and costs way too much.
     
  7. Mark J

    Mark J New Member

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    Its all too easy to think that the biggest use of oil is cars. Thats naturally our first thought when we hear the price of a barrel of oil.
    Generating electricity takes ALOT of oil in this country.
    So does manufacturing. just aboout any product you lay your hands on these days involves oil in its making.