The Right to Keep and Bear Arms.

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  1. ronlyn239

    ronlyn239 New Member

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    A little advice for the dangerous age in which we live.......Subject: Reasons to own a gun
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    > One of the best pieces of literature that I have ever read as to why we
    > should always maintain the right to bear arms.
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    > 1) "The very atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil
    > interference; they deserve a place of honor with all that's good."
    > George Washington .
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    > 2) "The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is
    > that they be properly armed."
    > Alexander Hamilton .
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    > 3) "Arms discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in
    > awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property."
    > Thomas Paine .
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    > 4) "Americans need not fear the federal government because
    > they enjoy the advantage of being armed, which you possess
    > over the people of almost every other nation."
    > James Madison .
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    > 5) "Games played with the ball and others of that nature,
    > are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the
    > mind. Let your gun therefore be the constant companion of
    > your walks."
    > Thomas Jefferson .
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    > 6) "The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone
    > who is able may have a gun."
    > Patrick Henry .
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    > 7) "Laws that forbid the carrying of arms... disarm only
    > those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit
    > crimes"
    > Thomas Jefferson quoting Cesare Beccaria.
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    > 8) "To disarm the people is the best and most effectual
    > way to enslave them."
    > George Mason
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    > 9) "The said Constitution be never construed... to prevent
    > the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens
    > from keeping their own arms."
    > Samuel Adams .
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    > 10) "But the right of citizens to bear arms is just one more
    > guarantee against arbitrary government, and one more
    > safeguard against a tyranny which now appears remote in
    > America, but which historically has proved to be always
    > possible."
    > Hubert Humphrey .
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    > 11) "I carried it (a revolver) religiously and during the
    > summer I asked a friend, a man who had been one of
    > Franklin's bodyguards in New York State, to give me some
    > practice in target shooting so that if the need arose I would
    > know how to use the gun."
    > Eleanore Roosevelt
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    > 12) "By calling attention to 'a well regulated militia', the
    > 'security' of the nation, and the right of each citizen 'to
    > keep and bear arms', our founding fathers recognized the
    > essentially civilian nature of our economy. Although it is
    > extremely unlikely that the fears of governmental tyranny
    > which gave rise to the Second Amendment will ever be a
    > major danger to our nation, the Amendment still remains
    > an important declaration of our basic civilian-military
    > relationships, in which every citizen must be ready to
    > participate in the defense of his country. For that reason,
    > I believe the Second Amendment will always be important."
    > John F. Kennedy
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    > 13) "Mightn't it be better in those areas of high crime to arm
    > the homeowner and the shopkeeper, teach him how to use his
    > weapons and put the word out to the underworld that it is no
    > longer totally safe to rob and murder? One wonders indeed
    > if the rising crime rate isn't due as much as anything to the
    > criminal's instinctive knowledge that the average victim no
    > longer has any means of protection. No one knows how
    > many crimes are committed because the criminal knows he
    > has a soft touch. No one knows how many stores have been
    > left alone because the criminals knew them to be guarded by a
    > man with a gun."
    > Ronald Reagan .
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    > I own a gun because:
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    > 14) 1911: Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to
    > 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves,
    > were rounded up and exterminated.
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    > 15) 1929: Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929
    > to 1953, about 40-60 million citizens, unable to defend themselves,
    > were rounded up and exterminated or starved to death.
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    > 16) 1935: China established gun control. From 1948 to 1952, 20
    > million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were
    > rounded up and exterminated.
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    > 17) 1938: Germany established gun control. From 1939 to 1945,
    > 13 million Jews, Catholics and others who were unable to defend
    > themselves were rounded up and exterminated.
    >
    > 18) 1956: Cambodia established gun control. From 1975 to 1977,
    > one million 'educated' people, unable to defend themselves, were
    > rounded up and exterminated."
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    > 19) 1964: Guatemala established gun control. From 1964 to 1981,
    > 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded
    > up and exterminated.
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    > 20) 1966-1976: China still has gun control. Another 50-100 million
    > civilians, unable to defend themselves, were killed in Mao Tse Tung's
    > "Cultural Revolution".
    >
    > 21) 1970: Uganda established gun control. From 1971 to 1979,
    > 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up
    > and exterminated.
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    > 22) 1990s: Rwanda established gun control. In a span of 100 days
    > in April 1994, 800,000 people who were unable to defend themselves
    > were massacred to death - most by machetes. How many dead,
    > hacked-up bodies do you think were found holding a loaded gun?
    > (answer is less than one)
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    > 23) 1992: Los Angeles California, USA. For three days police stood
    > by and watched, unable to stop the rioting, arson and destruction of
    > whole neighborhoods. Yet many Korean stores were virtually
    > untouched - protected by their well-armed storeowners who exercised
    > their right to self-defense through their right to keep and bear arms and
    > who did for themselves what the police were unwilling or unable to do.
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    > 24) Late 1990s: Great Britain established total gun control. Robberies,
    > burglaries and assaults have skyrocketted making London's violent
    > crime rate now higher than anywhere in America.
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    > 25) 2005: New Orleans hit by hurricane. Widespread catastrophe, no
    > law enforcement across most of the city for weeks. Some citizens
    > protected themselves with firearms - until NOLA police began
    > forcefully confiscating them "for their own protection", leaving even
    > the elderly unable to defend themselves against roving gangs
    > of looters.
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    > 26) "Ordinary citizens don't need guns, as their having guns doesn't
    > serve the State."
    > Heinrich Himmler
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    > I Own Firearms Because It Is My God-Given Right To Self-Defense:
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    > 27) "If the thief is found breaking in, and he is struck so that he dies,
    > there shall be no guilt for his bloodshed."
    > Exodus 22:2
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    > 28) "...he who has no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one."
    > Luke 22:36
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    > 29) "When a strong man, fully armed, guards his own palace, his
    > goods are in peace."
    > Luke 11:21
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    > 30) "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are
    > created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain
    > unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the
    > pursuit of Happiness."
    > Declaration of Independence .
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    > I Own Firearms Because I Have Common Sense:
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    > 31) The second amendment is not dependent on the most recent
    > crime statistics - nor is my right to own a gun contingent on what
    > criminals do.
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    > 32) 2 million times a year, private citizens successfully use
    > firearms to defend themselves.
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    > 33) Criminals fear victims holding guns, not victims holding phones.
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    > I Own Firearms Because There Are Those With Power Who, If Given
    > The Chance, Would Force Me To Relinquish Them:
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    > 34) "Banning guns addresses a fundamental right of Americans to feel
    > safe."
    > Sen. Diane Feinstein , D-CA.
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    > 35) "We're going to hammer guns on the anvil of relentless legislative
    > strategy! We're going to beat guns into submission!"
    > Rep. (now Senator) Charles Schumer D-NY.
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    > 36) "Senator Ashcroft is so far out of the mainstream that he has
    > said that citizens need to be armed in order to protect themselves against
    > a tyrannical government. Our government? Tyrannical?"
    > Sen. Ted Kennedy D-MA, at John Ashcroft's Senate confirmation
    > hearing, 2001.
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    > 37) "The sale of guns must stop. Halfway measures are not enough."
    > Sarah Brady .
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    > 38) "Banning guns is an idea whose time has come."
    > Sen. Joseph Biden , D-DE.
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    > 39) "I don't believe that everybody in America needs to be able to
    > buy a semi-automatic or fully-automatic weapon, built only for the
    > purpose of killing people, in order to protect the right of Americans
    > to hunt and practice marksmanship and to be secure."
    > Bill Clinton.
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    > 40) "I don't care about crime. I just want to get the guns."
    > Former Senator Howard Metzenbaum , D-OH during Brady Bill
    > debates.
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    > 41) "If someone is so fearful that, they're going to start using their
    > weapons to protect their rights, makes me very nervous that these people
    > have these weapons at all!"
    > Rep. Henry Waxman , D-NY, 5/2001 MSNBC report on .50BMG rifles.
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  2. olefin

    olefin New Member

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    Very good Ron! I fully agree and to help protect our gun rights I suggest belonging to the NRA if you're not a member already.
     

  3. john catfish young

    john catfish young New Member

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    I fully agree with right of the people to keep and bear arms. I too belong to the NRA. I practice my right to keep and bear arms everyday. For those who dont own a gun...thats ok...I have extra ones to make up for it....... and lots of ammo too.:wink:
     
  4. bearcat

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    Right on. NRA life member and proud of it.

    I find it ironic that the beliefs between JFK and Teddy are so different. The old time Dems are sure different than the new Dems. Think about that when you vote this year.
     
  5. catfishcrazy256

    catfishcrazy256 New Member

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    great post !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
  6. 223reload

    223reload New Member

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    Great post,Ron. I am also an NRA member.
     
  7. poisonpits

    poisonpits Well-Known Member Supporting Member

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    true beleiver and a card carrying nra man myself.
     
  8. postbeetle

    postbeetle New Member

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    There is nothing in there that I disagree with. The NRA is possibly the only reason we have not been disarmed already. The Supreme Court will give a ruling on everything I consider this country to be this spring. If they knock down guns, the rest of it (Our Constitution) doesn't mean anything to them either.

    The quotes and the history are there to prove what was intended. Pray to the God who made this country evolve if you pray, and if you follow any of my posts from day one on here, you know I am not religious. Just because I am not religious does not mean that I don't believe a creator outlined, forged, and allowed the establishment of this "country". This is a "country", a Nation, a place, a bunch of people.

    It could of as easily been on the other side of the world. Doesn't make any difference where it is physically, because it was an idea inserted into our sleeping minds, an ideal we were once taught to consider Gospel. It is like a shopping list that gets blown out of your hand in a parking lot. Once out of your hand you may never catch up to it again. People are now trying to jerk it out of our hand and let it fly away. They don't care what you want, they don't see what you see. There gets to be less and less of us every day. Information passed, read and digested as you have done is our only chance to hang onto that shopping list. Thank you for putting it up here for all who care to see.

    John.
     
  9. lawnman61

    lawnman61 New Member

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    Totally agree, also an NRA member.
    :big_smile:
     
  10. 1sporticus

    1sporticus Active Member

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    Very good post. I thank you for doing it. I also believe my owning a gun is my God given right, and is secured by the Constitution. However there is a movement underfoot to pervert the Constitution in a lot of ways, and gun control is out in front. I like the part about the Citizens ability to keep the Government honest. Seems as if they knew what We as Americans would be up against when the desk jockeys took over. Later Andy
     
  11. jdstraka

    jdstraka Well-Known Member Supporting Member

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    Wow!!!! Never gave this much thought because I have NO Intention EVER giving My Guns Up even if they the(Government) passed a Law that said I had To.I know if the Tree Huggers have there way guns will be banned.Thank's for the Great Post Ron.I Think I'd Better join the NRA Today Because We sure need someone watching Our Backs. Might I suggest something to the Folks who agree with Ron and the others who do also,Go to the top of Rons Post and Rate this Thread as Excellent ,Now Get er Done. Thank's J.D.:wink:
     
  12. olefin

    olefin New Member

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    John, I've heard a lot of folks say the same thing and I feel the same way.
    But there is a problem with that. If guns are outlawed, we will be the outlaw if we have to use one for protection. Then after we go to prison who supports our family.
    With the way the election is going, our gun rights will probably become a target after 2008.
     
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    I don't think they have any idea just how many "outlaws" they will have on their hands if that happens, when someone attacks us again on our domestic soil who do they think will protect them??????THE OUTLAWS THAT"S WHO!!! "No I don't think I'll let you arrest us today Beehan". Kurt Russell as Wyatt Earp in TOMBSTONE, Man I love that movie!!!!!!!
     
  14. Wabash River Bear

    Wabash River Bear New Member

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    A very informative post Ron. I hope someone reads it that mat be on the fence about gun ownership or gun control and takes the true meaning of the right to bear arms to heart. I myself have been a lawful carry permit holder for 25 years, and I do just that religeously. Never do you find me unarmed, nor my wife. I have never in that time had to discharge a weapon in self defense, or defense of my property or family. I believe the fact that I openly carry and its known that I do so, is a great deterant. Make no mistake about it, I have absolutely no fear about doing so. I have spent many hours at the range, and shot many rounds at events where artificially induced stress, reasoning and decisions are made under a timer for a score. I have been an NRA member nearly as long as long as I have been a gun owner. I am a very informed gun owner. I own "All" types of defense and hunting weapons and proud of it. No one, not even my government, is going to change that. This country was founded on freedom from tyrany, they (in Washington) need to remember that, this is a "FREE" country, and we have the power to make changes happen.
     
  15. beetle

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    Great post Ron! Only thing I would add is for people not to forget their own states elected officials. The feds would have a hard time passing laws that the majority of states are against. Write your reps and tell them how you feel and ask where they stand to the ones running for office. I email mine and most of the time I get responses on issues I feel strong about...Life member NRA and CCW permit holder.
     
  16. badkarma

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    I own a CCW but I shouldn't need one.The Constitution says my rights to own and carry guns "shall not be infrindged" so why do I need a permit to carry a gun? Because all them fools who want to take my guns away from me are rich enough to have paid armed bodyguards so they don't need guns and don't want me to have one.I am my own bodyguarrd and they "ARE NOT GETTING MY GUNS".



    P.S. No I am not a member of the NRA,I was over 30 years ago but never will be again,I will not join a club that is always bugging me for money.
     
  17. Wabash River Bear

    Wabash River Bear New Member

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    I see alot of you refering to Conceiled Carry Permits. Here in Indiana they are Personal Protection Handgun Permits. They do not state "conceiled", I have even asked the state police, conceiled or open? I was told there is no provisions in Indiana's law defining whether or not to conceil. Told me to use my own judgment, depending on where I am. Basicaly use common sense. I dont parade it around like a trophy deer, but I dont worry about it much. Again, its a nice deterant.
    Indiana also offers a lifetime handgun permt now. $100.00 for current permit holders, $120.00 for new applications. Current permit holders cannot upgrade to a lifetime or renew untill 30 days before expiration.
     
  18. MVFB52

    MVFB52 New Member

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    Amazing post. I just hope that our right to arms isn't threatened after the coming election. Pretty scary to think about how our country could change after next November!!!
     
  19. Ghost River

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    Not that I disagree with that sentiment but let me ask y'all a question, do any of y'all really believe that if it ever came down to it, our 12 gauges and 30-30's and such are going to be much of a match for what the US military is packing these days [​IMG] . If we really have a right to bear arms, I want an apache helicopter gun ship in my backyard. do you think they'll let me have one?

    I was a member of the NRA for 1 year. I'd never do it again. What an extortion racked that is. they called the house once a week sying "Thank you Mr. Farrington for your support. But we really need another $100 from you or they are going to come and get your antique LC Smith and blah blah blah" Plus I think they are every bit as responsible for screwed up gun laws as the anti's are. Even reasonable legislation that comes down the pipe such as a ban on ammo that will penetrate bullet proof vests they vehemently oppose. And it's in their interst to, to keep up the racket. I appreciate what they are about, but not what they are doing. They are starting to remind me of United Way.
     
  20. olefin

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    It takes lots of money to fight the gun control nuts, some of those are the most wealthy people in the world. After all, there are ONLY 4 million NRA members out of 44 million gun owners. So yes, we members have to be asked to kick in extra. If some of the other 40 million gun owners did their share, NRA wouldn't have to ask for more from members.

    You people that cry about NRA bugging you for more money. Well, I was a regular member for many, many years, then wife I became life members. Last year we upgraded to Endowment Member, this year we both plan to upgrade to Patron Membership. Each upgrade is several hundred dollars.
    But you know what... we both get just as many letters asking for more money as we did when we were regular members! But so WHAT!

    Enjoy your gun rights, we're going to help support you having them.... somebody has to, for I truly believe that it hadn't been for the NRA we wouldn't have guns today... sure wouldn't have the right to carry.