i have thought about this for several days. there have been many instances where a BOC member has given me good advice or assistance. altho i have forgotten some, i would like to thank those that i can as time goes across. thanks to Jackie (abilene). you were right about john nitzinger. after looking for awhile, i bought a cd of his on ebay - it is all good, and yes, louisiana cockfight is downright good stuff. and thanks for your stories, jackie. thanks to jim (gator) for the time to look at my rod pics..i appreciate your opinion. thanks to Dave (Okccatman ) for the t-bird meet this summer more to come, i am sure i will try to remember those i have forgotten and post thanks here.