So are castnets legal or what?

Discussion in 'LOCAL PENNSYLVANIA TALK' started by tbartek, Sep 5, 2006.

  1. tbartek

    tbartek New Member Supporting Member

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    Need some input. A waterways patrolman checked me today, I was netting some suckers with a 4' radius castnet. He let me keep the ten suckers but said he didn't think that I was allowed to use a castnet in streams. He's supposed to call me and let me know. I know you can use a 10' radius net, with a permit, in Lakes Raystown and Arthur for alewives. So what is the deal??? The book says a 4' square or a 4' radius net. What the heck is a 4' radius net if its not a castnet?:confused2:
     
  2. socex

    socex New Member

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    I'm almost sure you are allowed to use a cast net with a 2-foot radius without a permit. Only problem is I don't think they sell then that small. The smallest I found is 3 1/2 radius. Maybe someone has a rule book to confirm.
     

  3. socex

    socex New Member

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    I just looked at the fish commision site and it say you must apply for a permit to use a ten ft radius cast net in certain regulation areas. It says nothing about smaller ones, legal or not-legal. The 4-ft square he was referring to is landing nets. I was always told 2-radius, but the rules don't mention it so I would bet cast nets are off limits.
     
  4. SubnetZero

    SubnetZero New Member

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    Though Im not from PA, I looked up the PA codes.. As usual, they are clear as mud (Why states have to make their regulations so conveluted is beyond me )

    This is the main part about Baitfish:
    BAIT
    BAITFISH includes all forms of minnows; suckers,
    chubs, fallfish, lampreys, eels between 6 and
    8 inches in length; gizzard shad 8 inches or less;
    and all forms of darters, killifishes and stonecats
    (except those listed as threatened or endangered
    species). Legally taken gamefish may be used as
    bait. It is unlawful to use or possess goldfish, comets,
    koi and common carp as baitfish while fishing.
    FISHBAIT includes crayfish or crabs, mussels,
    clams, and the nymphs, larvae and pupae of all
    insects spending any part of their life cycle in the
    water.
    SEASON, SIZE, LIMIT. No closed season (except
    as noted below) and no minimum size. The
    daily limit and possession limit is 50 combined species.
    When purchasing bait, be sure to obtain and
    keep the sales slip or receipt. The receipt authorizes
    the possession of the fishbait or baitfish so purchased
    for a period of 15 days after its date of issue.
    Fishbait or baitfish purchased from a licensed
    dealer do not have a possession limit and do not
    count toward your daily limit of fishbait and baitfish
    taken from Commonwealth waterways. Approved
    trout waters are closed for taking fishbait and baitfish
    from March 1 to the opening day of trout season.
    Most specially regulated trout waters are closed
    to taking fishbait and baitfish at all times.
    TAKING AND KEEPING BAIT is permitted using
    rod and reel or handline, dip net or minnow
    seine not over 4 feet square or in diameter, or a
    minnow trap with no more than two openings that
    shall not exceed 1 inch in diameter. All devices must
    be under the immediate control of the person using
    them. Unattended minnow traps or baitfish containers
    left in Commonwealth waters must be
    identified with the owner’s or user’s name, address
    and telephone number. If fishing in a group and
    the total number of fishbait or baitfish taken from
    Commonwealth waters exceeds the possession
    limit (50), separate containers must be provided
    for the fishbait and baitfish. Total possession limit
    in any one container may not exceed 50 baitfish
    or fishbait combined.
    MUDBUGS (dragonfly nymphs) – No daily
    limit from lakes, ponds, swamps or adjacent areas;
    the daily limit from rivers and streams is 50.
    FROGS AS BAIT: Except for those listed as endangered
    or threatened, frogs may be used as
    bait. Certain seasons and possession limits apply
    (see page 23).
    Releasing fish from another state, province or
    country into Commonwealth waters is illegal without
    written permission from the Commission. Transferring
    fish from one Pennsylvania watershed to
    another where that species is not always present
    is also illegal without written consent from the Commission.

    Good Luck, maybe the Ranger can clarify it for ya...
     
  5. cook

    cook New Member

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    If he didn't know,how the heck are you supposed too?

    Clear as mud is right.

    Don't rely on a phone call,try to get an E-mail so you can print it out and carry with ya!!
     
  6. Blacky

    Blacky New Member

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    I used a very large castnet to get my suckers and bullheads. The cops here Philly don't really care, they have worst things to deal with.
     
  7. bigpapa15206

    bigpapa15206 New Member

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    i went through this last year! This law is the biggest load of bs i ever heard of. the law is no NET bigger than 4ft in diameter is permitted. so wat i did was modified a 4ft radius cast net to make it a 2ft radius. very ugly and difficult but it works , to bad they dont sell them this small. o and i raised hell about it to the pfbc and recieved no response, only that 2ft radius nets are availible. when asked where i was given no answer!
     
  8. bigpapa15206

    bigpapa15206 New Member

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    i think we should all bombard the PFBC with complaints and maybe they will adress the issue. or write letters to the major netmaking companies, enlighten them to the PA marketplace that begs for them. hell, id buy 4 of them!
     
  9. navigator

    navigator New Member

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    in PA your patrolmen are also your game wardens?

    Ours are different here in NC though we only have like one or two in my county, most counties have about 3.
     
  10. Blacky

    Blacky New Member

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    You know f'ed the PAFB commission is, get this!!!! It is illegal to harvest hickory shad in PA. You can get a $1000 fine or up to 15 days in jail. But at the shore in NJ, these same fish are caught and live-lined for stripers or chunked up for bluefish. And it's all legal!!!! Kinda messed up, huh???


    you can get a fine in PA, but if you're across the river in NJ, it's perfectly OK!!!
     
  11. tomcat85

    tomcat85 New Member

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    i hear from tons of different people about bluegill in pennsylvania and ive read the manual and i cant figure out if they are legal to use as bait or not and its driving me nuts! help please lol
     
  12. Blacky

    Blacky New Member

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    you can use bluegills as long as you catch them by rod and reel.
     
  13. tomcat85

    tomcat85 New Member

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    thanks man i appreciate the help its been driving me nuts. howd you find that out? lol
     
  14. Pennsylvaniacatchaser

    Pennsylvaniacatchaser Well-Known Member

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    Sarver, Pa
    tomcat85 - refer to the first page of this thread. SubnetZero posted the Pa laws on bait. It states there that all legally taken gamefish may be used as bait.
     
  15. gadzooks

    gadzooks New Member

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    Move to Texas, our limit on castnets is 14ft...try throwing a sucker that size.
     
  16. laidbck111

    laidbck111 New Member

    Ahi cast nets offer a net in a 3 and 4 foot diameter, are if you prefer a 1.5 and 2 foot radius. I think the web site is www.charkbait.com if not try a search for Ahi cast net. I hope this helps yall out some.
     
  17. socex

    socex New Member

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    Industry, Pennsylvania
    Just went to the site and only saw sizes 5-12 ft diameter cast nets.
     
  18. Amigo108

    Amigo108 New Member

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    Columbia, Maryland
    If your like me, I can have any size net in the world and I can't throw it so it opens more than 4 ft diameter LOL. Course, I only tired it a few times following the instructins on the package.

    Seriously though, I don't know how they can expect you to know the legislation when most of their officers probly don't. And I read the maryland statutes (until I got dizzy and fell unconscious LOL) and they too are very difficult to understand. I think they hired the same guy to write the regulations as writes the instructions for putting together toys made in China with tons of little parts.

    Oh shoot, now you got me thinking about all the other idiotic instructions I've tried to decipher over the years. I once put a very large playground set together. Following the instructions it literally took about 5-6 times as long to assemble it as I could have built one from scratch (and there's still a bunch of pieces left over that we couldn't figure out where they went!) If the assembly instructions say "Warning, don't have any loaded firearms around as you try to figure out these instructions or you may be tempted to blow your own head off" then you know you are in for a nasty ride LOL. I guess I shouldn't post when I'm dead tired, I get giddy.
     
  19. laidbck111

    laidbck111 New Member

    rickstackle.com has them are search Ahi cast nets
     
  20. buddah

    buddah New Member

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    TAKING AND KEEPING BAIT is permitted using
    rod and reel or handline, dip net or minnow
    seine not over 4 feet square or in diameter, or a
    minnow trap with no more than two openings that
    shall not exceed 1 inch in diameter. All devices must
    be under the immediate control of the person using
    them.

    There ya' go...