the shiners I catch and use are like a cross between a shiner and redhorse. I thought they were bluntnose minnows but they lack the horizontal black band. They are just fat with a load of black-green guts. I fish them on a 2/0 EC Lazer Sharp Kahle and 15lb line, no sinker. If the fish is dead or dying I puncture the middle to deflate the air bladder so it sinks. If live I just put it out there to swim. It catches several other species also.