<The fall is the most productive fishing time of the year but you wont necessarily catch your fish in the same area that they have been with the higher water temps. If you can find them they will be stacked up together especially he flatheads. Dont give up or get discouraged you won't get them every time. Keep at them and figure out the fall pattern.> < You gotta try shallow verses deep and day verses night> I HAVE tried day versus night. I HAVE tried shallow versus deep, drop offs, channels, in the snags, ahead of the snags, behind the snags, ahead of the rock bars, sand bars, and just about any place they could be holding. I am finding fish on the sonar, but can't coax them to bite. I am experiencing the same problem I had late last winter when I couldn't catch anything much. I KNOW that the fish have to eat, and I just have to figure out some technique to coax them to do so. I'm beginning to wonder if their diet changes this time of year from the live and cut bream I have been using, and if so, what are they eating? The water temperature isn't cool enough for the bite to turn on as they make their last efforts to put on weight for the winter. I also want to learn how to catch them when the water gets COLD and the fish become lethargic and don't eat much. Once again, IF and when we figure out this dilemma, this will be what separates us from "average" fishermen. I do NOT accept defeat easily, and don't worry, I'm not becoming discouraged. I'm already unhappy that I turned all my bait loose as they too are becoming harder to catch with the falling temperatures. I have a few ideas that I want to try real soon. I want to get up in some snags and fish one rod, and jig the bait up and down amongst the snags. Maybe the jigging action will get their attention. I've also wondered if a large spinner ahead of the bait might get their attention. I also want to learn to drift fish the river to cover large amounts of ground. The only problem with drifting the river is that the depth changes so much constantly, with the rock and sand bars. You would have to drift with the bait suspended rather than with the bait dragging the bottom like lake drifting. One encouraging thing is that I am not the only one not catching fish on the river right now. WE are the BOC, and it seems like as large as our numbers are, WE could figure out a solution. I am going to work diligently to try everything I can think of to catch fish when these patterns change. That being said, it cost me $30+ EVERY time I go to the river, and my family, rightfully, doesn't understand how I can keep fishin' and not producing. I either have to figure out the slow seasons, or only fish the seasons where the bite is on. I prefer to figure this out! :confused2: Bill in SC BTW: When I joined the BOC, I got an abundant amount of info that totally changed my fishing strategy, and my catches improved ten fold. Now, y'all don't hold back any of your seasonal change info!!!!!! If ya got it, share it!!