Restrictions on bait

Discussion in 'LOCAL OHIO TALK' started by ummagumma, Apr 16, 2008.

  1. ummagumma

    ummagumma New Member

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    Are there any types of live bait you are not allowed to use in public waters rivers, lakes, etc. i checked the ohio division of wildlife site, didnt tell me squat.
     
  2. scooter079

    scooter079 New Member

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    you should know your the one that spent your childhood at a baitshop dumbedik
     

  3. Netmanjack

    Netmanjack New Member

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    It doesn't tell you what you cant use , but it does tell you what you can. Any fish caught by legal means as long as it conforms to the creel and length limits of the body of water you are fishing. Now if a fresh water mussel bites your line you cant use it. The same goes for a live beaver if it is out of season. rabbits, ground hogs, squirrels, you get the idea. Now if you put a fifty pound carp out for bait it would be legal , but not very practical. Their not going to waste ink telling you that! lol:smile2::smile2::smile2::0a26:
     
  4. brother hilljack

    brother hilljack New Member

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    Welcome to the BOC. This site is full of good info and great people.

    The bait is pretty much as follows: If you catch legal, you can use it legal.

    By the way. That 50lb carp makes alot of cut bait!
     
  5. Salmonid

    Salmonid New Member

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    something else to remember is that if you catch some small crappies for example at a farm pond, and then take them to a state lake which has a 9" limit of crappies, that would be a big No No, so be sure to remember that
    Salmonid
     
  6. kitsinni

    kitsinni New Member

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    I thought you could only use a crappie if you caught it at the lake that you plan on using it for bait. I have alos heard you can't use a goldfish in a public water, but not 100% sure if that is true or not. I was told since the goldfish is not a natural fish in that water you couldn't use it. Hopefully someone knows more then I do about it and will share.
     
  7. mariofish

    mariofish New Member

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    welcome to boc:cool2:
     
  8. mariofish

    mariofish New Member

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    welcome to boc you will love it:wink:
     
  9. catfisherman_eky3

    catfisherman_eky3 New Member

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    If I was you I would go to one of your store and get you a fishing requlations book and look in it and check out the rules for the lakes in your area, and they should say if your allowed certain types of baits at a lake or not.
     
  10. brother hilljack

    brother hilljack New Member

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    I would say Mat has the best advice. Go pick up the book and it should clarify. The rules change year to year sometimes.
     
  11. Netmanjack

    Netmanjack New Member

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    If thats the case I wont look anything up for anyone and just tell a brother to go find out for himself. :roll_eyes:
     
  12. D_Weezy

    D_Weezy Active Member

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    Check this out, as far as I can figure it. If they are Unrestricted Species that can be sold to bait dealers, you can buy them and therefore use them as bait. Why else would a bait dealer be able to have these Unrestricted Species in their possession? Goldfish are on the Unrestricted Species list (see below). I will be contacting Elmer Heyob at the Division of Wildlife to verify this.

    1501:31-13-04 Bait and bait dealers.

    (D) It shall be unlawful for any person to sell as bait fish, or use as bait any fish or minnow not already established in waters of Ohio over which the wildlife chief has control.

    AQUACULTURE LAW DIGEST
    [FONT=Arial,Arial]This digest provides only general information on aquaculture laws. The Ohio Administrative Code containing the details of these regulations is available for review at the Clerk of Common Pleas Court in each county. Regulations may be changed by the legislature and/or the chief of the Division of Wildlife with the approval of the Wildlife Council. [/FONT]​
    [FONT=Arial,Arial]Publication 61 (R1105) [/FONT]

    [FONT=Arial,Arial]"Aquaculture" means a form of agriculture that involves the propagation and rearing of aquatic species in controlled environments under private control, including but not limited to, for the purpose of sale for consumption as food. "Aquaculture species" means any aquatic species that may be raised through aquaculture that is either a Class A aquaculture species or a Class B aquaculture species. [/FONT]

    [FONT=Arial,Arial]The chief of the Division of Wildlife shall adopt rules for the regulation of aquaculture and may issue permits to persons wishing to engage in aquaculture for the production of aquaculture species. A permit may be issued upon application to any person who satisfies the chief that the person has suitable equipment, of which they are the owner or lessee, to engage in aquaculture for a given aquaculture species or group of aquaculture species. The permits shall be classified as either Class A or Class B. A Class A permit shall be required for all Unrestricted Species as specified in this section or designated by administrative rule as an Unrestricted Species. [/FONT]

    [FONT=Arial,Arial]It is unlawful for any person engaged in aquaculture to rear or propagate aquatic species in waters other than those under private control including any body of water that would allow egress of the fish into public waters or waters of the state. Commercial length limits do not apply to aquatic species produced and sold under an aquaculture permit. [/FONT]



    (A) It is unlawful for any person possessing a Class A aquaculture permit to possess, buy, and sell any aquatic species for the purpose of aquaculture, except the following Unrestricted Species:

    spotfin shiner ([FONT=Arial,Arial]Cyprinella spiloptera[/FONT]), american eel ([FONT=Arial,Arial]Anguilla rostrata[/FONT]), blacknose dace ([FONT=Arial,Arial]Rhinichthys atratulus[/FONT]), southern redbelly dace ([FONT=Arial,Arial]Phoxinus erythrogaster[/FONT]), redside dace ([FONT=Arial,Arial]Clinostanus elongates[/FONT]), brindled madtom ([FONT=Arial,Arial]Noturus miurus[/FONT]), tadpole madtom ([FONT=Arial,Arial]Noturus gyrinus[/FONT]), blackstripe topminnow ([FONT=Arial,Arial]Fundulus notatus[/FONT]), creek chub sucker ([FONT=Arial,Arial]Erimyzon oblongus), [/FONT]creek chub ([FONT=Arial,Arial]Semotilus atromaculatus[/FONT]), bluntnose minnow ([FONT=Arial,Arial]Pimephales [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]3 [/FONT]

    [FONT=Arial,Arial]notatus[/FONT]), fathead minnow ([FONT=Arial,Arial]Pimephales promelas[/FONT]), golden shiner ([FONT=Arial,Arial]Notemigonus crysoleucas[/FONT]), silver shiner ([FONT=Arial,Arial]Notropis photogenis[/FONT]), common shiner ([FONT=Arial,Arial]Luxilus cornutus[/FONT]), emerald shiner ([FONT=Arial,Arial]Notropis atherinoides[/FONT]), spottail shiner ([FONT=Arial,Arial]Notropis hudsonius[/FONT]), goldfish ([FONT=Arial,Arial]Carassius auratus[/FONT]), common carp ([FONT=Arial,Arial]Cyprinus carpio[/FONT]), white sucker ([FONT=Arial,Arial]Catostomus commersoni[/FONT]), northern hog sucker ([FONT=Arial,Arial]Hypentelium nigricans[/FONT]), golden redhorse ([FONT=Arial,Arial]Moxostoma erythrurum[/FONT]), quillback ([FONT=Arial,Arial]Carpiodes cyprinus[/FONT]), smallmouth buffalo ([FONT=Arial,Arial]Ictiobus bubalus[/FONT]), bigmouth buffalo ([FONT=Arial,Arial]Ictiobus cyprinellus[/FONT]), black buffalo ([FONT=Arial,Arial]Ictiobus niger[/FONT]), highfin carpsucker ([FONT=Arial,Arial]Carpiodes velifer[/FONT]), river redhorse ([FONT=Arial,Arial]Moxostoma carinatum[/FONT]), black redhorse ([FONT=Arial,Arial]Moxostoma duquesnei[/FONT]), spotted sucker ([FONT=Arial,Arial]Minytrema melanops[/FONT]), silver redhorse ([FONT=Arial,Arial]Moxostoma anisurum[/FONT]), shorthead redhorse ([FONT=Arial,Arial]Moxostoma macrolepidotum[/FONT]), river carpsucker ([FONT=Arial,Arial]Carpiodes carpio[/FONT]), greater redhorse ([FONT=Arial,Arial]Moxostoma valenciennesi[/FONT]), largemouth bass ([FONT=Arial,Arial]Micropterus salmoides[/FONT]), smallmouth bass ([FONT=Arial,Arial]Micropterus dolomieu[/FONT]), spotted bass ([FONT=Arial,Arial]Micropterus punctulatus[/FONT]), green sunfish ([FONT=Arial,Arial]Lepomis cyanellus[/FONT]), bluegill ([FONT=Arial,Arial]Lepomis macrochirus[/FONT]), rock bass ([FONT=Arial,Arial]Ambloplites rupestris[/FONT]), longear sunfish ([FONT=Arial,Arial]Lepomis megalotis[/FONT]), pumpkinseed ([FONT=Arial,Arial]Lepomis gibbosus[/FONT]), white crappie ([FONT=Arial,Arial]Pomoxis annularis[/FONT]), black crappie ([FONT=Arial,Arial]Pomoxis nigromaculatus[/FONT]), orangespotted sunfish ([FONT=Arial,Arial]Lepomis humilis[/FONT]), warmouth ([FONT=Arial,Arial]Lepomis gulosus[/FONT]), redear sunfish ([FONT=Arial,Arial]Lepomis microlophus[/FONT]), yellow perch ([FONT=Arial,Arial]Perca flavescens[/FONT]), walleye ([FONT=Arial,Arial]Stizostedion vitreum[/FONT]), sauger ([FONT=Arial,Arial]Stizostedion canadense[/FONT]), yellow bullhead ([FONT=Arial,Arial]Ameiurus natalis[/FONT]), black bullhead ([FONT=Arial,Arial]Ameiurus melas[/FONT]), brown bullhead ([FONT=Arial,Arial]Ameiurus nebulosus[/FONT]), channel catfish ([FONT=Arial,Arial]Ictalurus punctatus[/FONT]), flathead catfish ([FONT=Arial,Arial]Pylodictis olivaris[/FONT]), gizzard shad ([FONT=Arial,Arial]Dorosoma cepedianum[/FONT]), muskellunge ([FONT=Arial,Arial]Esox masquinongy[/FONT]), grass pickerel ([FONT=Arial,Arial]Esox americanus[/FONT]), northern pike ([FONT=Arial,Arial]Esox lucius[/FONT]), chain pickerel ([FONT=Arial,Arial]Esox niger[/FONT]), freshwater drum ([FONT=Arial,Arial]Aplodinotus grunniens[/FONT]), white bass ([FONT=Arial,Arial]Morone chrysops[/FONT]), rainbow trout ([FONT=Arial,Arial]Oncorhynchus mykiss[/FONT]), brown trout ([FONT=Arial,Arial]Salmo trutta[/FONT]), Atlantic salmon [FONT=Arial,Arial](Salmo salar), [/FONT]coho salmon ([FONT=Arial,Arial]Oncorhynchus kisutch[/FONT]), chinook salmon ([FONT=Arial,Arial]Oncorhynchus tshawytscha[/FONT]), lake trout ([FONT=Arial,Arial]Salvelinus namaycush[/FONT]), lake whitefish ([FONT=Arial,Arial]Coregonus clupeaformis[/FONT]), brook trout ([FONT=Arial,Arial]Salvelinus fontinalis[/FONT]), mooneye ([FONT=Arial,Arial]Hiodon tergisus[/FONT]), rainbow smelt ([FONT=Arial,Arial]Osmerus mordax[/FONT]), western mosquitofish ([FONT=Arial,Arial]Gambusia affinis[/FONT]), burbot ([FONT=Arial,Arial]Lota lota[/FONT]), longnose gar ([FONT=Arial,Arial]Lepisosteus osseus[/FONT]), bowfin ([FONT=Arial,Arial]Amia calva[/FONT]), white sturgeon ([FONT=Arial,Arial]Acipenser transmontanus[/FONT]), alewife ([FONT=Arial,Arial]Alosa pseudoharengus[/FONT]), tilapia ([FONT=Arial,Arial]Tilapia [/FONT]sp.), white river crayfish ([FONT=Arial,Arial]Procambarus acutus[/FONT]), papershell crayfish ([FONT=Arial,Arial]Orconectes immunis[/FONT]), rusty crayfish ([FONT=Arial,Arial]Orconectes rusticus[/FONT]), Ecuadorian white shrimp [FONT=Arial,Arial](Litopenaeus vannamei), [/FONT]freshwater shrimp ([FONT=Arial,Arial]Macrobrachium [/FONT]sp., [FONT=Arial,Arial]Palaemonetes [/FONT]sp.), saltwater shrimp ([FONT=Arial,Arial]Penaeus [/FONT]sp.), the following snails: trapdoor snail ([FONT=Arial,Arial]Virvaparus malleatus[/FONT]), ([FONT=Arial,Arial]Physella gyrina[/FONT]), ([FONT=Arial,Arial]Physella integra[/FONT]), ([FONT=Arial,Arial]Planorbella trivolvis[/FONT]), ([FONT=Arial,Arial]Helisoma anceps[/FONT]), ([FONT=Arial,Arial]Ferrissia rivularis[/FONT]), ([FONT=Arial,Arial]Campeloma decisum[/FONT]), ([FONT=Arial,Arial]Elimia livescens[/FONT]), [FONT=Arial,Arial]Stagnicola elodes[/FONT]), or hybrids of the above species with the exception of those hybrids designated as "restricted species" in section 1501:31-39-01(d)(2).

    Bait Dealer Regulations
    Ohio Revised Code Section 1533.40.

    (3)Minnow or bait fish traps are permitted. However, IT IS UNLAWFUL:

    (c) to sell as bait fish, or use as bait any fish or minnow not already established in waters of Ohio over which the wildlife chief has control.

    BAIT FISH, CRAYFISH, LARVAL AQUATIC INSECTS

    (2)Minnows and bait fish, raised under a fish propagator’s permit in private hatchery ponds, or legally acquired from without the state, may be sold to and possessed by licensed bait dealers in unlimited numbers, and such dealers and propagators may sell such minnows and bait fish to other bait dealers and propagators in and out of the state in unlimited numbers, provided they make and keep a record of each such sale; such records shall be on file in the place of business and shall be open for inspection at all reasonable hours. Failure to comply with the mandatory provisions of this subsection shall be unlawful.

     
  13. ittybittykitty

    ittybittykitty New Member

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    Wow, your regulations are even more confusing than Michigan's.
     
  14. s_man

    s_man New Member

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    Yes you can use goldfish! Why you'd want to, I don't know. You'd be better off catching "wild" bait but thats just me.
     
  15. shumanator20

    shumanator20 New Member

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    dose anyone no any good bait for catfish
     
  16. shumanator20

    shumanator20 New Member

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    anyone near east liverpool
     
  17. bigcat_chaser

    bigcat_chaser New Member

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    What type of catfish are you angling for?? the species of catfish will greatly determine the type of bait usually used for that species You really wouldnt use the same types of bait to catch channel cats as you would to catch flatheads. The best advice I can give is to use skip jacks or shad as most species of catfish will bite these. once you narrow down what you want to catch there is tons of information available here on site about presentation and tactics. Welcome to the BOC would be glad to point you in the right direction good luck and welcome aboard :big_smile:
     
  18. neocats

    neocats New Member

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    I use the same bait for channel and flathead fising. I may present one alive and one cut, but the same baits will work.
     
  19. hawk

    hawk New Member

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    the only thing it says that you can not have mussels of any kind other then that its pretty wide open as long as its legally take by rod and real or by cast net where allowed . It says nothing about where you can and cannot use gold fish and if it got off you line and live something is going to eat it . For crappie you have to abide by the minimum size regulation . Crappie are considered a game fish anyway .Creak chubs and gizzard shad are really the way to go and every once in a while blue gills.
     
  20. Muskrat24

    Muskrat24 New Member

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    The regulations are all confusing to me and there can be loop holes.