I don't mind a drive, I just want my family to have a good time. Any advice on where to go and have a reasonable fishing experience . We tried Shakamak a few weeks ago and it was horrible....not bad......horrible. Fished for about 10 hours straight and not one bite, using 4 poles and 4 different kinds of bait at various depths. I know Lieber is out because its still around 40 foot up.... Not too sure on Raccoon but I'm guessing its high too. I don't mind a drive to the north or south becaus this will end up being a 3 day trip. Thanks in advance for any ideas.