Im trying to sell these for my buddy. His water got shut off so time to sell some of his things. Im willing to trade for a level wind baitcaster like a penn 9 or 209 and Ill just pay him. He has a Penn Delamar no 285 made in the usa and a old jc higgins "500". I personally know nothing about these reels. I know he used the Penn alot on the mighty miss. It has some wear from use like scratches and minor pitting. Just shoot me an offer for them.