Paylake definition Problem

Discussion in 'All Catfishing' started by Poppa, Jun 26, 2009.

  1. Poppa

    Poppa New Member

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    In the South a pay lake is where a landowner will make catfish lakes
    and people can fish and pay for the fish they catch by the pound. The
    owner has a place set up with scales to weigh fish and most times sells
    bait and refreshments. All fish are kept, you are not allowed to release
    fish. You catch it you pay for it. All fish in these lakes are channels or
    some type of channel hybrid. Most fish caught are in the 2 to 6 lb. range
    with a 15 lb. fish caught sometimes.( this fish is from an earlier stocking
    that was never caught.)
    These lakes are fished by older people, people that have small children,
    single mothers taking her boys fishing, inexperienced fishermen, fisherman
    that don't have the time to fish anywhere else.
    I have read some of the posts on paylakes on the BOC and was shocked
    that this kind of thing was going on. I had never heard of people catching
    big wild fish and selling them to paylakes. I had never heard of paylakes
    for trophy fish and was catch and release only.
    In Alabama we have had a one over 34" law for a couple of years. I have
    found out the reason for this is because people were transporting big wild
    fish to paylakes in Tennessee.
    I read one post where a BOC member had a hundred paylakes in a 50 mile
    radius of his home. I understand the anger and disgust of some members.
    I hope all states will make a maximum length rule to protect the big cats.
    In our country you can look at bootlegging, prostitution, and drugs and see
    that if there is money to be made somebody is going to do it. I do not
    know the answer to the problem but I understand it now.
     
  2. bumper

    bumper New Member

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    Great post, my first catfishing as a child was done at a paylake here in GA just like you describe. You keep what you catch, pay for it by the lb., and it was stocked with all channels from a hatchery as far as I know. Until I was an adult and started river fishin', my biggest cat (10.5 lb. channel) came from this lake. These types of lakes are where lots of people get started catfishin'. I like the 1 over 34" rule too, and I hope GA adopts it like AL and TN, until then I'll keep goin' to TN to catch big blues.
     

  3. upncomincatfishking

    upncomincatfishking New Member

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    up here its totally different you pay for a 12 hr ticket and you can pay $1 to get in jackpots and if you caych a fish that size you win however much money is in there. i dont know any lake where you hav to pay for the fish you catch per pound. i wouldnt go if it was that way. you can keep channels and blues under 10lbs for free.
     
  4. catfishinsc

    catfishinsc New Member

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    I never knew there were such things. I also never would have imagined that you would pay per pound, I would have thought it was per hour/per rod.

    I don't think I would have ever fished these anyway. I grew up fishing the river, and I'd rather go there or the lake. Plus I really don't like eating channels that much. I'd rather have bullhead, blue, flathead, bass, crappie, or bream.

    I'd definitely never pay to catch a "trophy" fish out of a pond. That's almost like paying to shoot a "trophy" buck out of a pen.
     
  5. AwShucks

    AwShucks New Member

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    I can see the whole picture (I think). People get upset with the commercial fishermen catching and selling large catfish to the pay lakes for someone else to try and catch. This is a sin, it is shameful. It should be outlawed.

    So, tell me, what is the difference between a strictly rod and reel fisherman catching and keeping the big fish, or a jug line person, or a trot line person, or a noodler. The resource, once caught, is gone...unless you practice catch and release.

    These large fish belong to no one, or to everyone. But there are so many different rules and regulations pertaining to their catch When you try to encact regulations about restricting their harvest, the stuff hits the fans. What is the answer? Guess everyone is to do their own thing and the other can just like it and lump it.

    As for me, I'll continue CPR so maybe, just maybe, my grandchildren will at one time be able to see a real live catfish.
     
  6. kitsinni

    kitsinni New Member

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    I'm in the 100 paylakes in 50 miles territory myself :( Here you pay for a ticket for a cetain number of hours. I have not heard of a single one that does not have fish over 50LBs. They would consider a 15LB fish a dink and would be mad they caught it and most require that all fish are thrown back. They are all setup around gambling. There will be a slot for 20-30LB 30-40LB 40-50lb and over 50 or something similar. Most people put a dollar in each slot and the person that "breaks the slot" or catches a fish in that weight range wins half the pot. A lot of times they have tournaments and payout in the thousands of dollars. Some fish are taged and those are worth a some money. Even the county I live in Hamiltion Country Ohio runs a paylake with 50LB+ flats in it. They do everything the same as the other paylakes except they also stock farm raised channels and don't have the gambling slots.

    There is a casino I drive by everytime I go to the river, if I wanted to gamble I would just go there :)
     
  7. jagdoctor1

    jagdoctor1 New Member

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    Hey, aww shucks. The big difference is that when someone is making money catching and selling them then they become professional at it and put a much bigger dent in the fishery. Then their buddy finds out about it and his buddy and his buddy and so on until you have a whole bunch of guys trying to make a living off of it. Does alot more damage than you and I fishing the weekends and eating some catfish.
     
  8. drpepper

    drpepper New Member

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    But thats the whole DNR plan- you folks that are tolerating commercial fish in YOUR rivers are screwing YOURSELFS by standing by and not doing diddly about it.
     
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  9. AwShucks

    AwShucks New Member

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    Okay, Chris, I see your point. Lets say you have 600 to 1000 commercial fishermen catching large fish and selling to the pay lake operators (guess that would have to be nation wide). Now, how may fishermen are there, nation wide? I think a bigger dent is made by the recreational fishermen than by the commercial boys. And, the license those commercial boys buys helps your DNR and their fisheries. Like I say, each side has points in their favor, wether the rest of us like it or not. I personally have not kept a fish I've caught that was more than eight pounds in over 20 years. Guess I'm stupid, because the next guy on the bank is gonna catch that fish and take it home. But if only one of the large fish I have released is still surviving, I feel I have been doing something useful.
     
  10. jagdoctor1

    jagdoctor1 New Member

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    I was just explaining what I thought was the answer to your question awwshucks. I have no stock either way. None of that exists here. Please take me off the You Guys list Dr Pepper.
     
  11. drpepper

    drpepper New Member

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    I'm guessing not by a long shot. and thier license fee can't even be a drop in the bucket compared to the TONS and tons fish they scab out of the fisheries.... I don't even want to get started lol.
    I might see if I can work up some sort of guestimate on this if'n I can find the info on the tons of fish per year thats suppose to be reported and ought to be public record? Might take a minute after I feel like it though.
     
  12. drpepper

    drpepper New Member

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    (2006) In Indiana, an Ohio River commercial fishing license costs $125 37 Indiana commercial licenses were sold for the Ohio River (37 times $125 = $4625.) ! CFL is equivalent to only 7 non commercial licenses (figured at 2009 cost $17.50 for arguments sake.)
    In Indiana, Ohio River commercial fishers reported a total harvest of 95,771 pounds of Cats

    Interesting note: Monetary estimates that a commecial fisherman get per poumd of catfish is $3.00/pound.

    That is 2,588 pounds of CF for 125 bucks.:eek:oooh:
    I know 7 people RIGHT NOW that would've kicked in an extra $17.50 for 2,588 pounds of cats lol! Better yet, I bet it wouldnt be hard to find 133 (or whatever) Catfisherman that would gladly kick in an extra $17.50 more to STOP commercial fishing altogether in Indianas part of the Ohio river... and in 2006 alone there would've been 95,771 more pounds of (mostly trophy) fish for you and me... just in Indiana's little share of the Ohio River.
     
  13. KC Jayhawk 78

    KC Jayhawk 78 New Member

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    I feel bad for the fisherman that live in the bordering states of the Ohio River. Im just glad these operations arent in the KC Metro area. There is a few small pay lake operations out in the country west of me, but from what I gather, these are mom and pop outfits that have turned their farm ponds into paylakes. I havent heard of any wrongdoings by them, and I really think I would have by now. What I cant understand is how everyone knows this is happening and the Wildlife and Parks Dept. isnt doing anything about it. Im sure they could send in a undercover agent or something. :sad2:
     
  14. drpepper

    drpepper New Member

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    To put my feelings of commercial catfishing into perspective a bit...
    Last night in fact, some jack-ass snuck up in my yard and stole my sons polaris 4 wheeler I had just bought for him new less than a year ago. Sitting here thinking about commercial "fisherman" scabbing catfish out of our rivers pisses me off way more by far.

    Now- with that said. I own a 3 acre pond. Fully stocked with cats. Every cat in it came from a hatchery not far from here- with the exception of a few little flatheads that my neighbor put in there one night after fishing, thinking I would appreciate it- (I didnt.) I am actually THINKING about opening a paypond to help finance a 7 acre addition that I want build onto this existing 3 acre pond I have now. I'm just not sure that-that is a good idea yet or not.
     
  15. griz

    griz Well-Known Member

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    http://www.in.gov/dnr/fishwild/files/2006_Ohio_River_Commercial_Fisheries_Rpt.pdf


    Reported 2006 Ohio River harvest was 95,771 pounds. Paddlefish was the most abundant fish harvested by weight and comprised approximately 78% of the annual harvest. Flathead catfish comprised the second largest portion of total harvest (9%) followed by blue catfish (6%), buffalo (4%), and channel catfish (3%).

    There are alot of catfish taken by commercial fishermen but lets get the facts right.
     
  16. drpepper

    drpepper New Member

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    seeing one commercial catfish license at work for a couple hours should help put things a bit into perspective... might make you feel better knowing that biggun 5 minutes into the video was was overhanded back into the water (PR relations for the video no doubt:roll_eyes:) Enjoy.:wink:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwXK3nVsULc
     
  17. griz

    griz Well-Known Member

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    I know that commercial fisherman he is a boc member :smile2: And yes he turns them big catfish back. Last I talked to him he is fishing more for asian carp then catfish now. Seems to be a growing market for them things. In fact when he talks about catching over 9000 lbs of fish he is talking about a haul of bighead carp he took from his nets.
     
  18. drpepper

    drpepper New Member

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    A Botherhood of catfisherman member huh? Sorry man thats just seems like an oxymoron.:big_smile:
    Look- bottom line. Commercial catfisherman are just pawns of the DNR devil.
     
  19. Blacky

    Blacky New Member

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    I saw this kind of stiff firsthand in high school! I went out on my friend's uncle's boat and I thought we were going catfishing. But to my dismay, all we did was bait pull and bait traps.

    Paylake owners will buy monster flatheads and pout them in their paylakes. They will then make a jackpot to attract people to come fishing. Eventually the poor ole thing will get hungry enough to eat a piece of hot dog, gobb of chicken livers, or nightcrawlers.

    Please don't blame the guys selling the fish, if they kept it themselves, it would 100% be dead. Blame the people paying to fish them! Supply and demand.
     
  20. griz

    griz Well-Known Member

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    I'm sure there are some commercial fishermen that do rape our waters, just like there are some "sport" fishermen that trash our waters and banks and keep everything they catch. But there are also alot of them that really care about the future. Most I talk to on KY Lake and Lake Barkley would really like their childern and grand kids to be able to follow in their footsteps if they want. There is not a market for catfish over 10lbs except the pay ponds and as, these ones I know say, the big cats are the breeding stock for their livelyhood so back they go. Now up in your area, Ohio, and eastern KY it must be different cause the pay ponds seem to be big thing and those trophy fish are coming from somewhere. Just as with anything there are some good and some bad.