Only rod-and-reel for Flathead Catfish? Opinions?

Discussion in 'Flathead Catfish' started by Flatspontoons, Jul 16, 2008.

  1. Flatspontoons

    Flatspontoons New Member

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    Guys, I realize I am probably in the "minority" with the following statements, but here goes anyway:

    I would like to see the harvest of flatheads restricted to rod-and-reel fishing ONLY......no noodlin', no juglines, no limblines, no trotlines set SPECIFICALLY to target flatheads.

    Obviously, some flatheads will be accidentally taken by these "less-sporting" methods when a guy is trying to catch blues or channel cats......I certainly understand that.....

    But don't tell me that a guy who baits 50 out of 50 trotline hooks with 6" -8" bluegills......or 8"-10" suckers or bullheads.....is trying to target blues or channel cats! :angry:

    Here in Texas we have a limit of 5 flatheads per day, with an 18" minimum length limit......but if a trotliner catches 12 flatheads and all are hooked deep (like usual with j-hooks or Kahle's), very few will survive if released, so 9 times out of 10 all 12 fish go home with the trotliner.....

    Anyone else share my opinion? Or am I the only heretic that thinks this great-fighting sportfish deserves a sporting chance on rod-and-reel only??
     
  2. FLATHEAD STEVE

    FLATHEAD STEVE New Member

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  3. whisker maniac

    whisker maniac New Member

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    clarify hooked deep please
     
  4. CountryHart

    CountryHart New Member

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    I've trotlined all my life and don't recall any flatheads swallowing the hook. Perhaps i'm just lucky, i dunno.
     
  5. whisker maniac

    whisker maniac New Member

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    I two have trotlined all my life and have used all different kinds of set ups, baits, hooks, and drop knots, etc etc etc.

    I have never had any fish on my trotlines swallow my hook. They are almost always hooked in the corner of their mouths and I just hang them over the boat and use a pair of needle nose pliers, turn the hook upside down and give it a quick jerk and the hook comes right out. The fish is no more harmed than with a rod and reel hook up.

    Don't know where you got your information about trotlining but if it isn't first hand from a trotliner and just hear say then I think you need to do some research and get your facts straight before making accusations.

    I'm not claiming that for your area your wrong or the way the trotliners do in your area may be as you say but from my many years of experience I have never had or heard of hardly any fish swallowing the hooks on either a trotline or a limb line.
     
  6. FLATHEAD STEVE

    FLATHEAD STEVE New Member

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    either way trotlines should be BANNED everywhere!! it's just a cheapmans version of commercial fishing and should be stopped. Everybody likes or would like to "HOOK" in to a trophy fish and the trotlining is killing that possibility all over the USA
     
  7. whisker maniac

    whisker maniac New Member

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    How in the world is trotlinin killin that possibility when there are regulations and limits on the amount of fish you can catch and keep.

    The game and fish commissions in every state regulate and monitor our fisheries just for these reasons to make sure that we have a futer in fishing.

    And further more trotliners mostly catch average size fish 10 to 1 over catching a large fish cause they are catching for food and not sport. I do both. I fish with trotlines, limblines and anything else that is legal. But, when I do I am fishing for eaters to fill my freezer for the season. When I get enough fish in my freezer for the year I rod and reel fish for sport and to catch the big ones.

    Your spouting off because your totally against something but you havent' done enough research to find out if what your saying is fact or hear say.
     
  8. CountryHart

    CountryHart New Member

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    Opinions are also something everyone has. I for one don't appreciate being called a cheapman. I guess what i'm sayin is i think your opinionated view stinks. Cya
     
  9. FLATHEAD STEVE

    FLATHEAD STEVE New Member

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    I do know that the game and wildlife officials are still working on the population and habbits of catfish... They still dont know enough about them and yes the trotliners here on the Des moines river are killing off populations, I have more than one friend that is a fisheries specialist and our population is in danger due to everybody keeping the big fish and the ones you can barley get a fillet off of. Sure if one needs food I understand but the ones out in $30,000 boats and have all the money in the world cant justify keeping a fifty pounder cause they say they are hungry, thats where im coming from... Sorry didn't mean to hurt anyones feelings:embarassed::embarassed:

    AND WHISKER M. YOUR NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO KNOWS WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT!! THIS IS THE SECOND POST YOU MADE TELLING SOMEONE TO DO THEIR HOMEWORK.:angry:
     
  10. FLATHEAD STEVE

    FLATHEAD STEVE New Member

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    If you need food great then do it.....if you dont then I think your trotlining stinks cya :smile2:
     
  11. whisker maniac

    whisker maniac New Member

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    Your right Steve I do express strongly for folks to do their homework. So many times people get on here and express their opinions and not facts. But when all the facts are gathered in they find that they have been misslead.

    I know way up north in your area you may be having a problem with catfishing population and I fully understand that but that is where the game and wildlife managemnet of the state should be getting with the marine biologist to come up with a plan of action and decide on what the best course of action is to control catfish population.

    Whether it is to restrict trotlining or putting on length limits for people to be able to keep. But there is no way that it should have to be that they have to do away with trotlining totally.

    Some folks enjoy trotlining as much or more than fishiing with rod and reel and it should be their right to do so. If that is their way of recreation fishing it shouldn't be taken away from them. That would be like the government coming up and saying no more hunting with guns just bow and arrow only.
     
  12. FLATHEAD STEVE

    FLATHEAD STEVE New Member

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    Great point! But I cant count on one hand how many DNR officials give a rats A$$ about catfish, Your right it may be differn't here being closer to Minnesota but catfish are almost on their own around here. NO HELP:angry:
     
  13. JERMSQUIRM

    JERMSQUIRM New Member

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    i disagree.

    thats your opinoin and thats it. folks have beed doing those methods longer than rod and reel hes been around for. and we still have a good cat pop here.

    some areas i agree. but not totally banned. thats just selfishness from trophy fisherman.


    i thing if a guy is gonna kill a bluegill just to turn the flathead loose thats wasting the sunfish population too. theres folks that fish for them too. so lets ban that too. ban ban ban.

    wish folks would leave it alone sometimes. ban beer ban smokes ban trotlines ban immigration ban this ban that. :angry:

    and who is the head honcho thet decided whats a sport and what aint. i still havent gotton clarification on that???:roll_eyes:

    all those are again are opinoins. and nothing more.:wink:
     
  14. JERMSQUIRM

    JERMSQUIRM New Member

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    im here too.:wink:




    so if i move to colorado next week and want to shoot a trophy elk. then its ok for me to say all you guys hunting elk for food need to be banned so i can get my thrills. lmao. you guys kill me. sounds like a 4th grader wanting all the crayons to himself.
     
  15. whisker maniac

    whisker maniac New Member

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    Well then I would suggest that you get all your catfishing buddies up there to draw up a petition and get something done.

    When you have a sitiuation like you have described then it is up to the people to get the ball rolling and not just sit back and wait for the officials to do something. The officials won't do anything unless they have or know how the majority of the people feel and think.

    If you get enough catfisherman to sign a petition for better controls of the catfish populations then that will get the ball rolling and those state boys will have to get off their duffs and do something or if the problem persists and the catfisherman persists in pointing out the problems thru petitions, writing your congressman, and the media then something will eventually get done. It may not come fast but if you all are persistant then eventually it will come about but you all have to come together and stick together and see it through or nothing will ever change.
     
  16. uttatoo

    uttatoo New Member

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    hold on hold on


    i am a trotlining and setlining fool and have yet to see the day all fish we catch get dep hooked and have to be taken i take them because they feed my family and its my choice to select harvest them
    i release everything over 20lbs thats my choice

    i have cought 45 flatheads this year and only 15 ended up in ,my freezer



    why am i not entiteled to take pictures and release a fish because im a trotliner or setliner i beg to differ
    and will contnue the practice of setlining and trotlining as long as its legal and show my kids how its done :cool2:

    thank you for reading this i was actually just reading post before going out to set my trotline in the sand pit :wink:when i came across this and thought it needed my oppinion on the whole situation :wink:
     
  17. catfishcentral

    catfishcentral New Member

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    I've said it before but IMO "THE METHODS OF HARVESTING A CATFISH IS IRRELEVANT" What's important is smart limits on the number of fish that can be harvested to sustain a healthly population. There's lot's of state's like mine that have very liberal means of taking catfish, but there's smart harvesting rates placed on all these catfish. You woud think with all the noodling allowed in Okla along with all the setliners there would be no big fish or sustained population of catfish at all. We have probably some of the best flathead fishing in the US. We have a ten flathead limit, 20 inch min and if you do noodle your only allowed 3 per day. Yes noodlers take fish off a nest at times but the small number of noodlers really don't make a dent in the flathead population. There's states that don't have harvest limits in place and that's a shame. I'd be working to regulate the harvest rates for your flatheads, slot limit or one over 30 inch for example. People have great enjoyment havesting fish by means other than rod and reel and enjoy it and it's not just for food. You can actually learn to be a better rod and reel fisherman IMO by setting some setlines from time to time. You will better learn flathead habits and ranges in your section of river or lake. I still set lines but I also rod and reel at lot for them also. Tactics I've learned setlining makes me a more productive rod and reel fisherman.

    There's always going to be people who either don't follow the rules or disregard sensible harvesting when no rules are in place. If your state has weak rules protecting flatheads or catfish in general work to change them but a harvested fish is a harvested fish....don't matter if it was by rod and reel, limbline or by a hand. The methods of harvesting are irrelevant but smart harvest rates is was makes sense to keep great catfishing for everyone.
     
  18. flathunter

    flathunter New Member

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    i would strongly support a total ban on all means of catching any catfish other than rod and reel.

    this would include trot, jgs, limbs,.

    I would also support a total catach and release fishery on all flatheads regardles of size.
     
  19. JERMSQUIRM

    JERMSQUIRM New Member

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    lmao.

    lets go vegan:smile2::roll_eyes:

    whats next. 33mm only deer hunting.
     
  20. uttatoo

    uttatoo New Member

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    and what do you suppose alot of us suplement our familys with
    the way the nation is going i save 25bucks everytime we eat fish