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I just wanted to weigh in about what I know about the proposed regulations, which will not go into effect any sooner than 2012, thanks to whining from just a few folks.

As one poster in the other thread noted these proposals were only undertaken after a 5-year tagging study on Truman revealed that flathead catfish 19-inches or longer were being kept at a rate of just 9.4%, while blue catfish were being kept at a rate of 74.2%. Larger blues over the size of 24-inches were kept at a rate of 84.4%. Some tags were lost and some catfish died a natural death and both factors were taken into consideration. The Missouri Department of Conservation study arrived at a figure of a little less than 8% for the number of tagged blue cats that were released after being caught, so at the conclusion of the study very few of the original blue cats remained in the population for anglers to catch.

So, 9.4% of bigger-sized flatheads were kept and fewer than 8% of larger blues were released. No wonder there's concern for the blue catfishery. At this rate of being caught a large population of huge, but slow-growing, blue catfish is unsustainable. which means there are darned few in the Lake to catch.

Back when MDC first got wind of angler dissatisfaction with catfishing on Truman the biologists for the department did an Angler Survey. Almost 50% of the anglers surveyed stated that catfishing in Truman had declined. The other 52% were divided among 'no opinion,' 'stayed the same' and 'improved,' with only a minority saying catfishing had improved in the lake.

THAT survey is what initiated the Truman catfishing tagging study. The biologists were not looking to make restrictions, they were attempting to verify what the public had been telling them, and they did: blue catfish -- especially in the larger sizes -- were in serious decline.

MDC has now been getting the same type of feedback from Lake of the Ozarks catfishermen.

Biologists know that not every group of catfishers has the same goal. Some want meat for the skillet, some want to win tournaments, others want their kids to have a good day of catfishing, and still others are happy to catch and release fish.

The department realizes that many folks love to eat catfish and so they even did a survey about this, with 20-pounds of catfish as the goal. The question was this:

Which would you prefer to catch?

1.) 1 20-pound catfish
2.) 2 10-pound catfish
3.) 4 5-pound catfish
4.) 10 2-pound catfish

The most popular response was four 5-pound fish.

Under the proposed regulations an angler could catch five 5-pound fish; 10 5-pounders if the creel limit is bumped up as the proposal states.

Anglers would still be able to keep 10 channel cats and 5 flatheads, too, more than enough to have a big fish fry or win a tournament since there is no length limit for these latter two species on Truman or LOO.

Those who point to other studies, such as the one conducted on Wilson Lake, in Alabama, and say that their biologists came to an opposite conclusion, which was to protect ALL blue catfish under the length of 24-inches, must not understand the basics of fisheries biology. ALL LAKES ARE NOT THE SAME. That is why when you read through all the various catfish studies each lake and each river is studied independently of the others.

One poster noted that Alabama catfish have a longer growing season than Missouri catfish.

But that doesn't take into account recruitment into the base population. How successful are Wilson Lake's catfish at reproducing?

Even if they are highly successful, what about the predation upon blue catfish fry in Wilson Lake?

What about the forage base in Wilson Lake? Is it substandard, which might lead to skinny, unhealthy small blue catfish that need to be babied along to maturity?

What we know is that the habitat in Truman and LOO is good for catfish. The forage base is good. Recruitment is good. The ONLY problem that the Department has identified is that too many larger fish are being kept. Cut down on the numbers being kept, the Department says, and fishing for larger blues will improve dramatically.

They aren't saying that no blues can be kept; in fact, one part of the proposal is that 10 blues per day (10 in possession) be kept rather than 5.

The slot would allow the most prolific breeders to be protected during their peak reproductive years. Afterwards, they would be available for taking within the limits of the proposed regulation.

I remember all the wailing and the whining that went on a few years back (well, maybe a decade ago), when MDC slapped a 9-inch minimum on crappie in LOO. You would have thought the world had ended!

Now, according to Greg Stoner, crappie anglers who have seen what a new -- and wise -- length limit can do -- and who now regularly catch slab-sides -- are lobbying for a 10-inch length limit. (I don't think they will get it, but it just goes to show you that some people who are adamantly opposed to something 'new' will be the first on the bandwagon to see if that 'new' reg might be improved even more).

Do I think MDC is ALWAYS right?

Heck, no!

I only have to look at the multiflora rose, the autumn olive, the ruffed grouse and the otters to know that they can be wrong.

But then I look at all the other great things they have done for those of us who hunt, fish and trap and I am more than willing to give them the benefit of the doubt. And in this case, by reading over the numbers, I myself think there is little doubt but that the blue catfishery needs some help. (Not that I am always right, either).

Heck, if there isn't significant improvement within the time frame that MDC believes is required, then anglers can always go back to the department and lobby to get the regulation changed back to the way it was.

Thank goodness we live in Missouri. MDC may have its flaws, but when it comes to fishing and hunting we live in one of the finest states in the U.S. to enjoy those types of activities at a uniformly high level of satisfaction.
 

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Less fishing pressure is the reason that only 9.4% of flatheads over 19 inchs were all that were harvested.
Blues are much easier to catch and thats why we have too many people keeping the larger ones.

Im not 100% about the whole proposal but if they are going to change the regs why wait until 2012?
 

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Thanks Kathy. Thanks for joining up and posting your thoughts.
 

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I can tell you from experience that Kansas and Missouri manage their fisheries way better than nebraska. On the other hand since I have been visiting down there this being the 3rd summer the fishing has been very disappointing. I see Scotty and others who really know where to fish catch plenty of fish but the fishing to me is far from what I've expected, to the point that I'm probably not going to focus on catfish as much as I have been at least not while I'm down there. It seems like I'd have a better time trying for white/stripe/wiper bass and crappie than to try to focus on catfish only.
 

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I can tell you from experience that Kansas and Missouri manage their fisheries way better than nebraska. On the other hand since I have been visiting down there this being the 3rd summer the fishing has been very disappointing. I see Scotty and others who really know where to fish catch plenty of fish but the fishing to me is far from what I've expected, to the point that I'm probably not going to focus on catfish as much as I have been at least not while I'm down there. It seems like I'd have a better time trying for white/stripe/wiper bass and crappie than to try to focus on catfish only.
We have length limits on all these other fish in place JB. Apparently it's working huh. :thinking:
 

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What a post for your 1st post ever.I still have mixed feelings about the slot limit,the 5 fish limit has only been in effect for 3 years.That was suppose to be a huge help.
Not being a smart a$$ that was a good post.

This is goin to be a long thread,lol!!
 

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What about the 33 inch cat thats been on the trot line for 23 hours,wich is perfectly legal?
I dont set trotlines any more but I know what they look like when you take em off the next morning.
It would be a shame to throw back a barely alive fish knowing it aint goin to make it.
Thats goin to happen if your goin to be legal,with the new regs.
 

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We have length limits on all these other fish in place JB. Apparently it's working huh. :thinking:
Well up here we have a 10 inch limit on crappie in many lakes. I can't imagine keeping one smaller than 9 anyways, that's crazy and greedy. The lakes up here that have the 10 inch limit are over populated with 8-9 inch crappie but they try to control that by lifting the size limit in april. This is where slot limits help. The white/stripe/wiper population in LOZ is pretty good and I've seen a lot of crappie over 11 inches caught below the dam. On the other hand I haven't seen many blues caught out of LOZ the past 2 summers. being allowed to only keep 1 fish over 24 inches seems to encourage people to take bigger fish home that need to be cpr'd especially when the fish are more scarce. When I see people take home more fish than it takes to feed their family 4 or 5 meals I wonder what type of glue they sniff at night. You people are lucky to have what you have down there and need to help take care of it.
 

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Wow KathyE for a first post thats some heavy stuff, very well written, almost like a speach? Your first post and you put it out their better than the MDC boys. They are having some trouble though? I have listened to the interviews and just get a little to much dead air after questions. They might need someone to do some PR work for them? Dont worry the new Regs will end up going in place in due time. The real truth to this is the CPR core has over taken the meat hunters and to top it off bigger fish will bring more money to the area. In my eyes its a no brainer. More money, better fishing and the majority want the Regs. Its just a matter of time. But you knew that, now if you can get those that are whining to quit it...... And for the record I still dont like the slot size but I know not everyone is going think this is a great plan to start.
 

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I can't believe that many large blues are being kept. They don't seem to be overharvested to me. But I wonder what percentage of those fish are misidentified for channel cats?
 

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Just to slow the trot liners down some. 1 fish over 24 inches a day would be a great help. I would like it to become the norm state wide for all blues and flats. Ya have no reason to keep 3 fish over 40lbs even if the law ses ya can. A good slot limit would help with that. And over time make places like LOZ, truman and the MO river scary places to fish lol.
I like to trot line but I tend to keep 5 to 20 lbers for dressen now. See even a ol dog like me can learn new tricks to improve what we got and make from better to great.
 

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What about the 33 inch cat thats been on the trot line for 23 hours,wich is perfectly legal?
I dont set trotlines any more but I know what they look like when you take em off the next morning.
It would be a shame to throw back a barely alive fish knowing it aint goin to make it.
Thats goin to happen if your goin to be legal,with the new regs.
I have an easy fix, outlaw trotlines on the Missouri River! I am sure this will make for a long thread too.
 

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Trot lines arent goin away,but the fish taken off of em will be if the new reg passes.
I dont think they should be outlawed at all!!!
To each is own,and thats the way I feel about keepin fish too.
 

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You are right Matt! TO EACH HIS OWN..... When I camp at Berry Bend in the spring, there are a bunch of guys there every spring on the same week and they ( 4 ) of them trotline, but when they complain that they only got 64 HEAD this year---WTF--- that is too many flatties and big blues but how do ya change it--these rules are a START I think and we as always will wait and see if it helps or not. There are alot of big fish that arenot CPR'd and we all know it, its just I think we didn't know the extent of it or better yet didn't want to hear it, life is change and I personally think it will help us in the long run and thats what its about--our kids
 

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i dont c anything wrong with keeping a few big fish but i also agree a guy shouldnt keep five fifty pounders eather on one fishing trip. i just think more people should do a better job regulating on there own without the laws having to change
 

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I trotline and can tell you if you have 3 fish over 40 that line will be a mess.:Happy:
I have had large fish on my lines but I only keep the smaller ones 5-10lbs and check them every 2 hours and usually run them for about 8 hours or until I reach the limit. Just cleaning these are a chore. I cannot imagine cleaning large fish in the 30lb + area and don't care to find out. I just keep the smaller ones and let the big ones go. If the new rules go into effect, it's sad to say it will not make a difference. Folks who do not care will always not care and you can't change that. The best policy is for us to police it when we are out and get details like, boat type and information where it occured and call game theif. MDC cannot be everywhere but we as fishermen seem to be all over and could be their best defense.
 
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