well im getting the whitetail down now. these are the 8-9th mounts im doing for coustomers. i have gotton much better from 1&2. the big one is a 12 piont 5-7 i hit last jan with my truck. i called it in and mounted it myself. it was #6 i mounted. ive much improved just since then. these are in the drying process now and have yet to be finished up. the 12 is done.