Thanks BOC brothers and sisters! I went fishing lastnight and hooked up with my first ever flatheads! Nothing huge but I think you got to craw before you walk. Fished the laydown that was a topic in another post I posted and using the information you all suggested I caught some flats and had a great time. I attached some pics. if you want to see what I caught. You will notice the home made slip bobber form noodles and 3/4" PVC pipe and end caps, they work great! (another BOC treasure) And no mud turtles do not care if that fresh live gill is for catfish only. All were CPR'ed. Can you eat flatheads? Think I might stick with channels in the frying pan!