well these are my 2 biggest fish ever to date. i'm not proud about where they come from. but i did catch them. well for fathers day i planned on driving south and hitting parts of the river. that i have never fished. i fish the great miami but not in any good areas. i'm to far north. but anyway. there were thunderstroms all over. and i almost gaver up hope on fishing at. i had all my money and time and about 2 weeks invested. on my second trip in a row that was rained out. so i i figured the rivers was not an option. but with hail and lighting and thunderstorms all night . the pay lakes would be empty. and they was . i drove about an hour a way in the storm to fish . when most people say the thunder and lighting scares fish. well i took my chances and went.and to my surprise through lightning and thunder they were still biting .and not only that the whole lake was mine for most of the time .i really dont like the pay lake thing . i do think they serv a purpose for some . but i dont approve. if i had a vote . it would be to ban them . poor fish . but i will still take advantage once or twice a year. around here i cant catch a 30 or 50 pound fish . i cant afford to go to them . so its my next best thing . oh both fish were 30 pounds each acording to bait house scale. oh and s-man gave me the advice that landed both fish. he said fish were right close to the bank where no one is fishing . where its quieter and less comotion . and sure enough. 17 foot of water right there and i was in about 2 foot of water right on the bank. no one does that at paylakes . they all cast as far as they can . i hate the frustration of paylakeing . mainly the idiots that go. no offense anyone . we all know who they are . but it was neat . useing glow sticks and all. and fishing so close . when it went under the stick kinda lit up the water . you could see it under a little before it vanished . so i could see him hit the bait by how it bobbed . then could watch when he turned and headed to deep water . and then just watch it dissappear.