Looking for a good mixture for carp

Discussion in 'Carp Fishing' started by CountryCarp14, May 26, 2006.

  1. CountryCarp14

    CountryCarp14 New Member

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    Hi everyone I am a new comer and I was looking for a good carp bait for buffilo carp because i have never played one and i herd they will fite.
     
  2. davesoutfishing

    davesoutfishing New Member

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    1 cup flour
    1 cup cornmeal
    2 cups water
    1 tablespoon vanilla
    2 tablespoons sugar
    1 (3 ounce) envelope strawberry gelatin mix

    2 cups Change size or US/metric
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    30 minutes 30 mins prep

    Make a dry mixture of flour and corn meal.
    Bring water to a simmer and then add vanilla, sugar and strawberry gelatin, while stirring.
    Keep stirring and sprinkle on enough dry mixture to cover the surface of the liquid.
    Once the hot water breaks through the dry ingredients, cover the break with the dry mixture.
    Continue in this manner until dry mix is gone and then continue stirring for two minutes.
    Cool and remove from the pan; roll into a ball, wrap tightly and then store in the refrigerator.
    TO USE: Roll up a ball the size of a large english pea onto a #6, #4 or #2 fishing hook; when fishing line moves, wait until line tightens before setting the hook
     

  3. davesoutfishing

    davesoutfishing New Member

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    Particles - Hemp
    Hemp must be one of the most successful and therefore most popular Particles available today. It is an amazing fish attracter and can give fantastic results to the carp angler. Hempseed is a small black seed which is available in varying sizes, the most common being about 2mm in diameter. It is available both in its raw state and pre-prepared. When prepared it swells up slightly. Hemp was originally very popular with match anglers and was renowned to be a great bait for roach. It is now popular amongst most anglers for all species and used not so much as a hook bait but mixed with groundbait or in feeders or spods and used in conjunction with larger hook baits.

    There are several methods of preparing the seed, the following is my personal method. Tip the dry hemp into a container with a lid, cover with cold water and seal the lid. Some anglers add a tin of condensed milk at this stage, but if you are fishing in late summer, beware, the wasps love it. I speak from bitter experience. Now leave to soak over night. Next transfer the hemp and water into a pan and bring to the boil. Once boiling, reduce the heat and simmer for about 15 minutes. Ensure the hemp is covered with water at all times. When boiled, return the hemp and water to the bucket and leave to stand for a few hours, preferably overnight. It is now ready to use.

    Hemp can be attached to a very fine hair if you are careful, or to a blob of Kryston Bogey on a hair. I prefer to use it as a loose feed and fish a larger particle over a bed of hemp. The rich oils given off from hemp will attract the carp onto your bait and once there, they will almost certainly get their heads down and start sifting through it and hoovering it up. Once feeding on hemp, they will stay in the swim as long as there is a good supply of it, and so continual feeding little and often is the rule.
     
  4. davesoutfishing

    davesoutfishing New Member

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    Shelf Life Boilies
    Walk into most tackle shops these days and almost before you get through the door, the sweet smell of carp baits hits you. Boilies are available in many forms, either ready made shelf life or frozen baits, or as home mades, and the array of different types, flavours, colours and sizes is staggering. They are not only used by carp anglers these days either, many tench and bream anglers have cottoned on to their success as have the match anglers who often use them to bag up on carp, tench and bream when the smaller species are either becoming a nuisance or are not going to give them the weight they need to win the day.

    Most shops will stock a good selection of shelf life boilies from the minis up to 20mm plus. They are available in bags usually from 1kg up to 2.5 kg, tubs and pots and either as standard baits or floaters. Some bags come with a smaller bag inside containing a few floaters or pop-ups to use as hook baits whilst feeding the sinkers.

    Shelf life boilies will keep for months in their original packaging and even once opened will last a fair while if kept cool and dry. Look for a sell by date on the packaging. They will however become very hard if allowed to dry out in the sun for too long or if they get damp, they will go mouldy, so once I have opened a packet, I usually try to use them during the session. If I have any that I am dubious about, I will break them up and use them either as loose feed or mixed with pellets in PVA bags. My koi at home are always happy to finish any others off for me. I would rather start a new bag confident in the knowledge that they are fresh and likely to catch. Think whether you would eat them. Most boilies are made from ingredients safe for humans. If you wouldn't eat it, why should the carp?

    Boilie sizes
    So what should you look for when deciding what shelf life boilies to use? Firstly the size; pick a size that you think you will catch on. The mini boilies are great for smaller fish, and often tend to be a bit softer, so can be eaten by other species more easily, or fished 2 or 3 to a hair can be a great method when the fishing is a bit harder. They are also great for use as small particle baits and can be deadly when mixed with pellet in a PVA bag. If you want to avoid the smaller species, then look at something a bit bigger, although I have caught a good-sized roach on a 16mm boilie!
    Boilie flavours
    Once that's sorted out, the next big question is flavour and colour. If you are fishing in clear water such as a gravel pit, then colour may be important, something that stands out amongst weed or against the gravel bottom may be useful, although sometimes this can spook the fish and they won't come near it. Flavour then is probably the main decision and there are many schools of thought on this. A lot of anglers will find out what is catching on a water and stick with it as the carp are used to it and have accepted it as a food source. This will usually work although there comes a time when that particular boilie is blown and the carp have become wary of it. I would usually take at least one back up flavour as well, just in case everyone else is blanking.
    In fact, I often find out what others are using and deliberately use something completely different. Sometimes that can produce great results while everyone else blanks. If you are not sure what to go for, then a rule of thumb is fruit and fish flavours in the summer and sweet and dairy flavours such as chocolate malt in the winter. The reason for fish flavours being popular during the warmer months is that they tend to have a high oil content and when the water temperatures are up, this flavour leaks out into the water more easily and acts as an attractant. Fruit flavours tend to be brightly coloured and show up well in brighter conditions, and also have a fairly high flavour leakage property.

    Of course you don't have to stick to the flavour in the bag, and there are as many different flavours of dips and sprays that can be added to your boilies, which can enhance their properties, as there are boilies. Careful not to overdo it though, too much flavour can repel the carp. If you want to add a bit of flavouring to your boilies, then put them in a large plastic bag and add a little flavouring mixed with water. Blow into the bag to inflate it and holding the top tightly; give it a good shake about. Leave for an hour or so while the boilies absorb the flavouring, then use as normal.

    Boilie dips
    Dips are a great way to enhance your shelf lifes, simply place a few baits into the pot and soak, remove when ready and use as you normally would. I find most of the dip pots sold are too small to get your fingers into to remove the baits after soaking, so a pair of forceps are useful to remove them after soaking. I always carry forceps as a matter of course anyway, they can be invaluable for unhooking a fish which has been awkwardly hooked, and can save you wearing monster crab flavoured clothing when trying to remove dipped baits!
    In summary then, give the shelf-life boilies a try. If you are still not sure what to use, don't be embarrassed to ask. Any good tackle dealer will happily give advice if you say where you are fishing and what you are trying to catch. Take a few different types with you if you can, and try the flavours and dips. Experiment. Try something different, don't just follow the crowd. And when you have caught that personal best monster, let us know, send us a photograph and show it off on this site. Good luck.
     
  5. davesoutfishing

    davesoutfishing New Member

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    Making Boilies
    Making boilies is not as difficult as some anglers would have you believe. Although ready-made or shelf life boilies are extremely effective and do catch a great number of carp, making boilies will improve your catches, save you money and can be fun. Many serious carp anglers would not consider using ready mades and insist on making their own. Their argument being that by using only fresh ingredients, which will be more acceptable to the carp, your catch rates will increase dramatically. The other argument in favour of home made boilies is of course cost. Making a reasonable sized batch of your own boilies, especially if you share the cost with a friend, can save a good deal of expense, and once you have some of the basic tools and flavours in stock, they become increasingly cheaper with each batch.

    So here is a quick guide to get you started in the art of boilie making. With practice you will soon be making baits that those carp just can't resist.

    What you need
    The basic ingredients of any boilie are a good base mix, ½ a dozen eggs, flavourings, colourings and maybe sweetener. You will also find the job a lot easier if you have available a bait gun and a rolling table. Although these are not essentials, they will save a lot of time, mess and hassle. Other pieces of equipment you will require are a mixing bowl, a fork, whisk or electric mixer, a syringe, kitchen scales, saucepan, metal sieve and an air drying tray in which to finish off the baits. A clean surface on which to work with the equipment laid out ready will help you to complete the job more easily.
    Mix it up
    Before going into much detail, the rule here is to always mix the dry ingredients together in one container, and the wet ingredients in another. That said, let' sstart with the dry. Place the required amount of base mix into your mixing bowl. For half a dozen eggs, this will probably be 16 oz, but you can always add a little more later if needed. Most mixes will come with mixing instructions from the manufacturer, so always follow these. Add any powdered additives such as sweetener, about ½ a teaspoon of each usually, but again, follow instructions on the container. Mix this well, ensuring that all of the additives are well incorporated into the base mix. Now in a separate bowl, mix the liquid ingredients. First crack open the eggs and place in a large mixing bowl. Now add your liquid flavours. Use a syringe and measure the exact quantity stated. Never overdo it, even if you can't smell it, it is there, and even slightly too much flavour can repel the carp rather than attract them. Now whisk the eggs and flavours very thoroughly or the flavour will not be evenly distributed amongst your finished baits.
    Bring it together
    Now add the powdered ingredients to the egg mix, slowly stirring together with a fork as you gradually add more powder. An electric mixer can be used here if you prefer, but do start it off on a slow speed, or your ingredients will end up everywhere. Keep adding the base mix and form a paste which is just sticky to the touch but not too dry or your baits will split. If you find the mix sticking to your hands, a little cooking oil on them will stop it happening.
    Ready, load, fire
    Now is the time to load the paste into your bait gun. First roll it into a sausage shape that fits into the gun. Squeeze the bait out of the gun across your rolling table, forming 3 thin sausage shapes. Place the top of the table over the baits and roll it backwards and forwards a few times. Lift it off again and you should have a batch of raw boilies. If the paste sticks to the table, you need to add more powder next time. If you don't have a rolling table and gun, you are going to be there for a while as you hand roll each bait into a ball.
    Prepare to boil
    Now boil your water and have ready a metal sieve. Placing few baits at a time into the sieve, dunk it into the water. About 30 baits at a time is good depending on the size of your container. Allow them to boil for about 45 - 60 seconds depending on their size. The longer you leave them, the harder they will, be, so if you have to suffer crayfish in your water, you may want to leave them a little longer. Also the bigger the boilie, the longer they take. I would estimate 45 seconds for a 14mm boilie of average hardness. Once boiled, remove them and place them in a drying tray while you get on with the next lot.
    Dry, store, freeze and use
    When all of your baits have dried, you can store them for use. If you want them very dry, a week or two in the airing cupboard will help, remember that if they are still moist, they will start to mould unless you freeze them. Freezing is best done in small polythene bags. Remove as much air as you can and place straight into the freezer.
    Pop-Ups
    If you want to make some pop ups during the above process, this is easily achieved by hand rolling some of your mixture around cork balls. Then cook and store as normal. Don't forget to keep them separately or you wont know which is which when you come to use them. Some anglers make their pop-ups bigger so that they can tell them apart.
    Hint. - Always keep a log of the boilies that you make, and always use the same size eggs. This way, to repeat a successful recipe or refine a not so good one, you will be able to look up exactly what you did last time you made it.

    Remember - Too much flavour is a waste of boilie mixture. It won't help you catch but will have the opposite effect and scare the carp off.

    Have fun and go give those carp a gourmet meal.
     
  6. davesoutfishing

    davesoutfishing New Member

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    Why use boilie dips and soaks
    Boilies were banned when I first started fishing at one of my local waters some years ago. It was a fairly new complex at the time and was relatively easy, and so baits such as luncheon meat, sweetcorn and trout pellet paste were the order of the day. After a few months of catching plenty of carp though, they soon began to wise up to these basic baits and blank sessions resulted. I was chatting to a fellow angler after one particular session and saying how difficult it had become to catch without being able to use boilies. He told me that he was still catching plenty and asked what bait I was using. Luncheon meat I replied, there's not a lot else you can use except for worm and maggot, which simply attracts the smaller species. What, plain luncheon meat he questioned. You won't catch on that anymore, you need to dip it. Dip it in what I asked. He fished in his pocket and pulled out a pot of strawberry cream flavouring and a small pot of honey. That was my first lesson in dips and glugs. The next session saw me dipping luncheon meat in strawberry and coating it in honey, resulting in more fish again and renewed confidence in my fishing.

    Of course it wasn't long before the carp were wising up to these new flavours as well, but with a little experimentation and a few trips to Tesco I was soon back into the fish again. Nowadays of course, dips soaks and glugs are readily available in a thousand different variations from every tackle dealer. But why not have a go at making your own. It can save a few bob and can be a lot of fun as well.

    A few ideas
    Here are a few ideas to get you started. Once you have tried them you will be itching to try out your own combinations and maybe it will help you put some more carp on the bank.

    The first thing you will need is a base liquid. This can be an oil such as olive oil, or a frying oil such as vegetable or sunflower oil, some specialist stir fry oils come with added flavours like garlic, or a favourite of mine is sesame seed oil. Oils for dipping bread are also good. Another good base liquid is the juice from a tin of sweetcorn. This is a flavour that carp are familiar with and lots of good carp are caught every year on it. If you want to go for a fish flavour, try adding the oil from a tin of pilchards or sardines.

    Once you have your base liquid, you can add your flavours. For sweet dips, try adding almond oil, or baking flavours such as strawberry, vanilla, peach, chocolate or whatever you fancy trying. Nesquick powders and honey also work well. Also syrups are a useful addition, glucose syrup can be bought at the supermarket to add a sweetening effect. A spoonful of golden syrup has a similar effect and helps to thicken it all up. If you are aiming for a savoury dip, then pepper, chilli, curry powder, paprika and garlic are all favourites.

    For summer fishing when the water temperatures are up, I would go for a fish oil based dip, as these oils will leak easily from the baits and cause a slick which will attract the carp. In colder weather I would be more inclined to go for a dip which will not drift away but will stay concentrated around the baits. In this case, the sweetcorn juice base is a good bet. Corn steep liquor is also a good base for winter dips.

    As far as quantities go, it is going to vary considerably depending on the chosen ingredients. Remember you don't want to make it too runny, it should finish up as a fairly thick liquid which will soak into your baits. If you want it to really soak in, try soaking a few boilies, freezing them and then defrosting again. As they defrost, more flavour is drawn into the boilies. Then soak again and use or freeze again for later. Just remember not to overdo the flavours. It is possible to put the fish off completely. And don't forget, it's not just boilies you can dip and soak, any bait works, and you can also try it with your chum mixers. Also try coating your baits in honey and marmite, both said to be good carp attractors.

    So, have a look in your cupboards, take a trip to the supermarket, and see what you come up with. A little experimenting can save you a fortune on the ready made dips and may also give you that edge over the other anglers on your lake.
     
  7. davesoutfishing

    davesoutfishing New Member

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    Particle Fishing
    Particles are an important bait for the carp angler. This short piece gives a very brief overview of particles and their use in modern carp fishing techniques. Particles have become immensely popular over the last few years, with dealers stocking a never ending variety of the, They have actually been used as a carp bait for decades in one form or another, with the classic all time favourite being sweetcorn. One of the countries most famous carp waters, Redmire Pool, has surrendered some of its biggest carp to sweetcorn over the years to sweetcorn, including Richard Walker's 44lb common, which stood as the British record for many years.

    So, what is it that makes particles so effective? The key is their small size. They resemble the carp's natural diet, being small items of food which have to be picked up over a large area. Compared to boilies, they are very small and the carp have to work for their meal. They have to get their heads down and hunt around for each particle. This tends to hold them for longer in one area and often induces competitive feeding and if your hookbait is amongst the particles then you stand a good chance of it being taken.

    There are also disadvantages to the small size. Using particles as hook bait is not easy. They are not easily attached to a rig. For this reason a lot of anglers will fish a single larger hook bait over a bed of particles. This method can be deadly as the carp, working competitively for the particles, come across one larger hook bait and it is often snapped up greedily. Another disadvantage of using particles is in the preparation. Many types, especially the smaller seeds and nuts, need to be soaked or boiled in advance. This operation can be messy and smelly, and may not make you popular in the kitchen. However, most particles can be bought ready prepared in smaller quantities these days and if you don't mind paying a little extra for them, this can save a lot of time and trouble.

    Particles available
    So let's look at some of the particles available. We have already mentioned the famous sweetcorn, but it is also available in many colours and flavours from most tackle dealers. You can also colour and flavour your own, making it an extremely versatile bait. Also most other tinned particle vegetables available in supermarkets can be used, such as peas, chickpeas, black-eyed beans, butter beans, red kidney beans, borlotti beans or haricot beans.

    Hemp
    Hemp seed being one of the carp's favourites is a most popular particle. The seeds resemble small water insects or snails and has an oily consistency when cooked, and carp go mad for it. It can be attached to a fine hair, but is probably best used as an attractor with a larger hookbait laid on a bed of hemp. Once carp are feeding well on hemp, they will take most hook baits, although I prefer to use a dark pellet or bait which blends in well with the hemp.

    Pellets
    Also available from tackle and bait dealers and pond supply outlets are pellets. These can be extremely effective in attracting carp into your swim, and although hard to use as hookbait, they are easily made into a paste by adding water and egg. They are available in many sizes and the larger ones can be attached to a hair rig by using a bait drill. Recently many new types of carp pellets have become available as well as the old faithful trout pellets, which are supposedly more water friendly and less likely to pollute waters after heavy usage. I fish pellet in the same way as hemp, with a larger hook bait over a bed of pellet, and the advantage here is that pellet being dry, it can be used in PVA bags for accurate loose feeding.

    Nuts
    Particles also include nuts of many types, which must be prepared by boiling. Peanuts for instance should be placed in boiling water in an airtight container and soaked for two days. One of the most popular nuts as a carp bait is the tiger nut. Prepare as per peanuts and then pressure cook for 20 minutes, they can be penetrated with a baiting needle, but if still slightly hard, a bait drill will help. I fish them two on a hair or sometimes singly straight on the hook. As they are a hard bait, they stay on the rig well and so are good for casting.

    Methods with particles
    When particle fishing, the aim is to place a bed of bait on the bottom and fish your hook bait right on top of it. For this reason, accuracy is important. There are many methods of getting particles into your swim. For longer-range fishing, spodding is useful, whereby a container or spod of the particle is attached to a line on a separate rod and repeatedly cast to a particular spot, where the bait is released from the spod and falls to the bottom. When sufficient loose bait has been deposited, your bait is cast to the same spot and fished over the bed of particles.

    Another method is the PVA bag. PVA dissolves in water and bags of bait can be cast attached to the fishing rig, ensuring that your bait lands in exactly the same spot as the particles. As PVA dissolves when wet, this method only works with dry particles, hemp and crushed or broken boilies being the favourite.

    If you can afford one, then bait boats make the whole process of baiting up very much simpler over long distances. The boat can be loaded up with large amounts of bait as well as your terminal tackle and the whole lot can be delivered to the exact spot in which you want to fish. This can even be underneath overhanging branches of trees or on the very edge of an island or feature.

    For short range fishing, again PVA bags are good or loose feed particles if you can reach your fishing position accurately either by hand or using a catapult.

    Remember, accuracy is the key. You want to position your bait right in the middle of the particles and so use whatever method of fishing best achieves this. Try different baits and don't be afraid to try something different. Take a look around your local supermarket. You'll be surprised at the variety of particles right there on the shelves, and it can make the weekly shop a lot more interesting.
     
  8. davesoutfishing

    davesoutfishing New Member

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    Preparing Particles
    Particles can be dangerous if not prepared correctly. Undercooked particles can kill carp, and care should be taken in their preparation. Here we give a brief overview of how it's done. If you are still not sure, seek advice from an expert - see bottom of page, or buy them ready prepared.

    Hempseed
    Hempseed is a small black seed. It needs preparing, as it is hard in its natural state. There are many different preferred methods of preparing it, the way I prefer is as follows: -
    Tip the dry hemp into a container with a lid, cover with cold water and seal the lid. Leave over night. They will swell up slightly at this stage so make sure your container has sufficient room. Now move the hemp and water into a pan and bring to the boil. When boiling, reduce heat and simmer for about 15 minutes. If you would prefer, use a pressure cooker, this has the advantage of retaining more of the natural smells. Keep an eye on the bait, ensure it is softening but not breaking up.
    Ensure the hemp is covered with water at all times. When boiled, return the hemp and water to the bucket and leave to stand for a few hours, preferably overnight. It is now ready to use or freeze.
    Chickpeas, Black Eyed Beans and similar
    Some particles may be coloured and flavoured. This works well on Chickpeas and Black eyed Beans. To prepare these soak overnight as with Hempseed but in the water add flavour and colouring. Quantity of each will vary depending on the amount of bait in the container and the quantity of water added. Careful not to overdo it! After soaking, bring to the boil and simmer for 10 -15 minutes in the same water they where soaking in. Then treat as per Hempseed.



    Tiger Nuts
    Tiger nuts are hard brown nuts with a very rough texture. There effectiveness on some waters can be brilliant, especially if the carp are accustomed to Tiger nuts. Prepare them as follows:
    As Tiger nuts are so hard, they must be soaked for at least 24 hours and then boiled for 30 mins. If you leave the prepared Tiger nuts for 2-3 days after boiling they will start to ferment and this seems to help. The water will turn milky due to all the sugars in the nuts. Some anglers like to flavour them, follow the guidelines above if you do.

    Peanuts

    This particle has been banned on many waters. This was due to bad publicity following many carp deaths some years back when a batch of bacteria infected nuts were introduced to waters in vast quantities. They are also lacking in some proteins and vitamins, and if carp begin to feed to exclusively on them, they will suffer health problems. However, if used sensibly, they can make a very good carp bait. Make sure that you only purchase the human grade type as the ones intended for bird tables may be of a poorer quality and contain a toxic fungus. The safest way to decide is to think "would I eat these" If the answer is no, then why should the carp. This is actually a rule I apply to a lot of my baits, including boilies. Chocolate malt are my favourite, but watch out for the scopex dipped ones!
    Peanuts must be prepared by soaking for 24 hours and then boiling for 15 - 20 minutes. You can add flavours as above if you wish.

    Maize

    Groats


    Pellets
    No preparation required here, they are used dry or made into a paste. To do this, take some pellets and add a small amount of water into which has been mixed an egg. This will make the paste tacky and assist in keeping it on the hook, otherwise the paste will dissolve very quickly. Flavouring can also be added to the liquid if required. Now mould the paste into a ball. Keep moist by storing in an airtight container. To flavour pellets in their particle form, place them in a large polythene bag and add a little water and flavouring. Not too much or they will start to dissolve. Inflate the bag by blowing into it and tie the top. Now shake the whole thing to spread the flavouring amongst the pellets. Allow to stand for half an hour or more and they are ready to use. Remember if water has been added to the pellets, you can't use them in PVA bags! The same method can be used for flavouring dog biscuits.
     
  9. CountryCarp14

    CountryCarp14 New Member

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    Thanks that should help a lot
     
  10. countrycat15

    countrycat15 New Member

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    hay jon that strawberry millit sure worked good the other day
     
  11. yadkinrivercats

    yadkinrivercats Member

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    Thanks, Dave some great recipes sure they come in handy.
     
  12. ohiohawghunter45067

    ohiohawghunter45067 New Member

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    1 1/2 pound hamburger
    8 boxes of strawberry gelantin
    one block of limburger
    and one giant size bag of doritos crush them till there almost powder

    melt the limburger mix it all together set in firg over night to let it set its realy sweet smelling after you are done portion it in zip lock baggies place on ice in cooler and make small balls and smach them on hook..
     
  13. iowacatman

    iowacatman New Member

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    a can of sweet corn works extremely well. also cut the crusts of a piece or two of bread, tear it up and roll it into balls slightly larger than a #6 or 8 treble hook and place it in c plastic refrigerator sack. then pour in some vanilla extract and shake. (carp have a sweet tooth.) keep the bread slightly moist and load it on the hook. DON'T use sinkers which are TOO HEAVY! Carp will spit the bait if they feel too much resistance. a small slip sinker ( either bell or egg) placed above a barrel swilvel with a 9 to 12 " leader tied onto it works well. Nightcrawlers work also. (This is about the only meat they will eat, except for bighead and buffalo- i've caught them on chicken liver and pieces of hot dog.)

    Iowacatman