kutter said I know from the posts you have been reading here at Gateway, that you may have a grasp that most of the folks here are a bit odd. However, I am here to inform ya that most of our folks here have enough sense to stay off the river under these conditions. It's true. Well after reading that and thinking about it I have decided to play it safe and not go out on the river today. I do not have much sense but I think I may go to carlyle instead. He probaly saved my life. Thanks Kutter, I owe you one.