Knot strength means what?

Discussion in 'All Catfishing' started by hopnbrly, Feb 20, 2006.

  1. hopnbrly

    hopnbrly New Member

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    Knot strength is generally rated as 98% or such but what is it 98% of?Line strength,failure weight of knot,Fish caught without knot failure,ect.How is it actually determined?
     
  2. SangamonCatKiller

    SangamonCatKiller New Member

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    That is a good question... one I don't have the answer to. Anyone ?
     

  3. flathunter

    flathunter New Member

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    I think it's line strength.
     
  4. BullDaddy

    BullDaddy New Member

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    Flathunter is right, it is straight line streangth.
     
  5. KC Jayhawk 78

    KC Jayhawk 78 New Member

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    Anyone have a chart or something rating the knots , and what percentage of line strength retention they have, or something similar?
     
  6. BAM

    BAM New Member

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    Try Practical fishing Knots, by Mark Sosin and Lefty Kreh. This book has all you need to know about knots. ISBN#1-55821-102-0. Easy to follow diagrams and instructions.
     
  7. metalman

    metalman Well-Known Member

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    The problem with knots is that they are tied by people and not machines. Because of that they vary considerably in their strength. For instance, if a palomar knot is tied badly it will never provide the high efficiency it is known for. Any chart that gave knot efficiency as a percentage of the line's original strength would have to be compiled with results from many, many people doing the tying to get a good average and that just isn't practical.
    The best thing you can do is take all of the high efficiency knots: the snell, the palomar, the trilene, the double grinner etc. and find one that suits your fingers. Then it's a case of practicing until you can tie it perfectly every time.
    Many people try a new knot and when it fails on them they dismiss it as a bad knot when in fact they tied it wrongly or badly.
    Find one that works for you and stick with it...W
     
  8. davesoutfishing

    davesoutfishing New Member

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    Maxima makes the world’s strongest, most durable monofilament fishing line. Yet all of that strength and power is meaningless if you have a bad knot. It will break faster than you can shout “Hook up!” That’s why we call this page the Critical Connection™. Above you will find some practical knots appropriate for just about any angling situation — from finesse fly fishing to trolling for big game saltwater species. There certainly are a lot more fishing knots, but what you find are some of the most common and useful.

    WHY DO FISHING KNOTS FAIL?
    At knot connection points, the line is twisted, criss-crossed and joined with the hard surfaces of hooks, lures, swivels and other terminal tackle. Even with a good knot, this places a great deal of stress on the line. Abrasion can be a problem. Or, under enough pressure, the line may actually cut into itself. This can reduce the effective test strength and durability of your line. For example, though you may be fishing with 10-pound test line, a bad knot may test out at only five pounds — possibly less. The idea of a good knot is to maintain close to 100 percent of the test strength of the line you’re using. The first step in this process is to choose the best knot for the application. The second step is to tie the knot properly. These instructions will help you in both regards, but here are a few other tips:

    KNOT TYING TIPS
    Wet the knot. This is especially critical as you draw the knot tight. A little bit of water or saliva helps lubricate the line, preventing abrasion and making it easier to gather and tighten the knot. Make sure the knot is tight. A loosely gathered knot can come unraveled — or it may start to slip under pressure. Slippage can lead to rapid knot failure. Trim the knot carefully. As you trim the loose line after finishing the knot, don’t nick or scrape the actual knot or main line. Even a minor nick seriously weakens a knot. Check knots frequently. Inspect your line and knots whenever you reel in. If there’s any damage, abrasion or doubt, cut the problem off and re-tie. Learn a few knots very well. Don’t try to learn every fishing knot ever invented. There are hundreds. It’s better to be proficient with six knots than to be a “fumble-fingers” with twenty. Practice makes perfect. Spend time at home practicing your knot-tying skills. Inspect and test each knot after you finish. Your goal should be a perfectly tied knot every time.

    Here are a few tips for getting the most out of your Maxima monofilament fishing line.

    Store Line Properly
    Store your line, either still on the package spool or on the reel, in a cool, dark dry place. Avoid storing line where it can be exposed to light or heat.

    Spool Line Tight
    Spool monofilament line onto the reel as tightly as possible. This helps keep the line from “digging in” to the rest of spool when you hook a strong, hard-running fish.

    Keep Reel Spools Full
    Keep your reels full of line. Reels that are low on line do not cast or retrieve as well as reels that are adequately filled with line. But do not overfill the reel. This can create other problems.

    Change Line Often
    Re-spool line frequently. Change line at least every two to three trips — more often if you’ve been catching a lot of big fish or working abrasive cover.

    Prevent Line Twists
    To prevent twisted line on your spinning reel, spool the line from the storage spool in spiral fashion, in the same direction as the spinning reel bail is turning.

    Wet Line For Fishing
    Wet your line before fishing. Boat anglers do this by letting out 50 to 75 yards of bare line (no lure or other terminal tackle) behind a moving boat, then reeling it in tightly on the reel spool. If you’re not on a boat, make a few practice casts with a lure or weight to wet the line before you start fishing.
     
  9. AwShucks

    AwShucks New Member

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    My gosh, that means I would be changing line weekly, if not bi-weekly. That raises the cost of fishing to the point it would be prohibitive for my retirement check. Must be a suggestion from a line company. Think I'll just keep on changing it once a year or whenever it gets below 3/16 inch on the reel. They probably want you to change out hooks once a month, wether you need to or not.
     
  10. plainsman

    plainsman New Member Supporting Member

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    years ago I read an article that recommended cutting 3 ft of line off at the end of everyday for people who cast a lot. thats musky, northern, and such fishermen. the end takes the most abuse, so cutting that much off everyday keeps the end from being worn out. I remember tying knots and pulling them tight, then pulling and checking if they were tied correctly, watching them pull apart right there. So I do recommend learning a few knots to tie correctly, don't need too many.
     
  11. Catcaller

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    Here are two excellent links to knot instructionals...one of the links is a break percentage chart.

    IMO...the % chart is not going to really do you a whole lot of good tho...except perhaps for comparison of applications, or choosing a go to knot.

    I have to wonder if the authors of these breakage % charts aren't biased towards certain knots...either financially...or by mere personal opinion.

    The angler tying the knot is most times the variable when it comes down to it.

    A guy who ties 100 knots a year...but uses the same knot everytime...is going to have a higher % rate of non-failure than the guy who ties 200 knots a year...but uses 5 different knots.

    IMO...Get really good at tying a certain knot that connects your terminal tackle before you move on to others....and you'll be all the better for it.

    The bottom line: The best knot to use...is the one that you tie best.

    http://www.sportfishingmag.com/article.jsp?ID=43572

    http://www.animatedknots.com/indexfishing.php

    http://www.netknots.com/html/fishing_knots.html