jug fishing show.....

Discussion in 'LOCAL NORTH CAROLINA TALK' started by mack in n.c., Aug 10, 2008.

  1. mack in n.c.

    mack in n.c. Member

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    wayne pearson on ultimate outdoors had a segment on his show jug fishing......actually noodling since they were using pool noodles.....my son said lets go do that it looks like fun......indeed it is.....he loves running bush hooks.................told him i have jugs not noodles but the noodles look better than my jugs plus the hook you can just bury into the noode while you store them......read, i said store them not leave then on the water........if you think jugs fishing isnt fun thats fine ...i think using 500 dollar sonar and spotting a fish laying on botton, then positioning yourself above it , then lowereing your bait to it is kinda fun but not as fun as looking at a river hole and determining if its a good hole or not...............i dont ride over my river holes so i dont spook the fish .........
    1 reason i find jugging so much fun is i think of it as trapping......you have to know your animal and its habits to be good at it...sure you can throw out jugs and catch some fish but you will have better success if you know where to put them....i grew up trapping on the haw river and setting bush lines so thats why i like it......also dont worry , i wont try to have sonar banned.:big_smile:.........mack
     
  2. WylieCat

    WylieCat Well-Known Member

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    Good post.

    "...1 reason i find jugging so much fun is i think of it as trapping..."

    Jugging is trapping and not fishing int he popular sense of the word.

    You can call it what you want, but in the popular view of what fishing is, jugging is not. :wink: Nothing wrong with that when donre responsibly. :big_smile:
     

  3. Mark J

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    You mean to tell me that any form of catching fish that doesnt adhere to the philosophy of what CCC says is fishing, isn't fishing?

    Well I guess you just offended the hell out of alot people.
    Bet you care too.
     
  4. mack in n.c.

    mack in n.c. Member

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    it is fishing(i hope theres a hook on your jugline) i just go about it like a trapper.....a trapper knows the trails the habits and so on of his quarry.......apply that to jugging and you will be better at it than others....i have been in boat where the guy who owns the boat will not drop lines until he sees a few big cats laying on the bottom.......maybe that ought to be under some sort of video game law :big_smile:........one reson i dont come on this site as much as i used to is than some people on here think there way is better and should be the only way......maybe one day the p>*7 crowd will try to ban sonar,,,,,we should also remember that if the state bioligist could do it over that there would be no flatheads or blues east of the eastern continetal divide.........yes there are bullheads in nc .......the yellow, flatbullhead(not to be confused with flathead), snail bullhead, and the brown and the black.....the white catfish is also native........now the flatheads gobble them up.......when you harvest a big flathead say 40 plus you are actually helping blues and the others...i have seen 40 plus lb fh trying to eat 5 and 10 lb blues..actually even bigger ones ...i once saw at santee with qualifed witnesses a 70 plus lb flattie with a 20 plus blue in its mouth, they were not fighting..60 percent of the blue was down the flatties mouth...(....not to mention the channels and the native whites & bullheads they eat.....actually i dont want to see any form of fishing banned ,,,,,that is until 1 of my forms are restricted.....i also encourage those who are against jugs, trotlines and bh to go do it once with a responsible jugger....remember there are also meathogs in boats who use rods......good fishing mack
     
  5. Bryan8552

    Bryan8552 New Member

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    Wyliecat, from what some of these guys have been saying, seems to me that it's the most popular way of presenting a piece of bait on Baden and Tillary.
     
  6. WylieCat

    WylieCat Well-Known Member

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    "...You mean to tell me that any form of catching fish that doesnt adhere to the philosophy of what CCC says is fishing, isn't fishing?..."

    No. Had I meant to tell you something different I would have.

    If you would take a moment to thoroughly read what I said you would understand what was said. No philosophy of the CCC, nor the CCC was mentioned, though there may be some members that agree.

    It appears as though your attempt to put words into MY mouth put thoughts into YOUR head. :wink:

    If jugging was regarded in the same way as the commonly understood and accepted forms of fishing then live bait would be allowed. Care to explain why it is not? :roll_eyes:

    "...i also encourage those who are against jugs, trotlines and bh to go do it once with a responsible jugger....remember there are also meathogs in boats who use rods...."

    Good advice and I plan to. :big_smile:
     
  7. tiny b

    tiny b Active Member

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    It seems to me that every fisherman I know, no matter how he fishes, takes a hook and ties it to the end of a line then attaches this line to a device that enables him or her to retrieve his catch if he is lucky enough to catch something. Ain't that what we call fishing? Anyway just what I have observed.
     
  8. Mac-b

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    Mark J, the CCC has their own section on the BOC where CCC matters are discussed. Why you want to bring the CCC into WylieCat's thread I do not know. True he is the Prez. of our club, but in his thread he was speaking as a fisherman, not as the Prez. of the CCC. Only heaven knows what your aggenda was, I do not know. In the future it would be apprecaited if you would not confuse the two. You stated that WylieCat had offended a hell of a lot of people, so did you with your remarks! My remarks have probably fallen on deaf ears, but so be it.
     
  9. WylieCat

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    "...takes a hook and ties it to the end of a line then attaches this line to a device that enables him or her to retrieve his catch if he is lucky enough to catch something. Ain't that what we call fishing..."

    Sure. You can call it that. :eek:oooh:

    Shooting them with a bow and arrow can be called fishing too. Heck, shooting them with a high powered rifle can be called fishing. :confused2:

    How about dynamite? Now thats some hardcore fishing! :crazy:

    If you like, any way you catch a fish is fishing! :roll_eyes:

    People, it is this simple, the rules and regulations we have are evolving. They are based on and change with what works and does not work. :wink:
     
  10. Mark J

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    The act of gathering fish is fishing. It doesn't matter if you are throwing sticks of dynamite, noodling, jugging, rod and reeling, or trotlining.

    The main focus of the sport of fishing SHOULD be to promote the enjoyment and rewards of fishing.
    Insead we find ourselves in the middle of a turf war day after day.
    Instead of bringing people into it, it seems we are trying to run people out of it by various means up to and including having laws changed , new laws made, and even "playing" game warden on the water.

    Catfishermen readily and eagerly talk crap about bass fishermen but they dont mind taking the same road.
    Work to disinfranchise anyone and everything that doesn't fit your program.
     
  11. tiny b

    tiny b Active Member

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    I was just talking about legal means of taking fish. Bows, guns, and TNT ain't legal where i'm from.
     
  12. WylieCat

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    "...The act of gathering fish is fishing..."

    I knew if gave you enough rope you would hang yourself eventually. :wink:

    Not all "fishing" as you defined it is acceptable or legal. Some have to be controlled, limited, or banned totally. Sorry, but we can't leave everyone to do as they see fit. Sadly, there are too many stupid people that can't manage alone to do what is right, either ethically or morally. For them, we have LAWS that insure a consequence for their irresponsibility. :wink:

    Alan, sorry for being a little over the top with my response. There seems to be this belief that any way of fishing that is a legal way to fish is ok, but just because somethig is legal RIGHT NOW does not mean it is the right thing.
     
  13. hunted

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    just spent my first noght jugging last night and came out with a new pb flat,32 pounds.and it was really fun.i would rather use rod and reel most of the time,but it is something i can see at least doing once a month.
    back where we were jugging,i see that might be the only wy to do it,considering all the snags in the water.
    we are allowed to use live bait on them in ohio.
    got a couple of pics with the fish,then let him go.

    if people has a problem with it,oh well.i wouldn't let no one get me upset about it,they are not worth it.most people are just wanting to argue.
     
  14. Mark J

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    I wasn't discussing legalities of the methods, I said they were forms of fishing.
    We have not always had fish and game laws.

    Of course I knew your reply would be based on the first sentence of the post instead of the heart of it.
    Keep up the turf war. It ill be yourself and your program that it hurts in the end.
     
  15. mack in n.c.

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    "just because somethig is legal RIGHT NOW does not mean it is the right thing."

    you have got to be freakin nuts..........thats as nice as i can put it......you are a serious threat to all of fishing.........lets all change the world to fit your agenda..................i repeat you are a serious threat to all of fishing......thats all we need is more more more regulations......right now the warden are on gas restrictions....1 warden per countie on avg.......they can only use so much gas...lets just over burden them so we can protect an introduce species.......................thanks for your help in protecting our fisheries...mack
     
  16. mack in n.c.

    mack in n.c. Member

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    what should of been a post by me about a good show on catfishing has turned into someones agenda.......
    i am going to walmart today to buy some pool noodles like wayne pearson had........does anyone have any suggestions on rigging them...he had 1 inch pvc pipe in the hole of the noodle....mack
     
  17. WylieCat

    WylieCat Well-Known Member

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    My apologies for only addressing the first sentence. In my ongoing attempt to remain fair and balenced....:

    "...The main focus of the sport of fishing SHOULD be to promote the enjoyment and rewards of fishing..."

    Therefor, regulations are needed to insure that happens.

    The TRUTH is, the sport of fishing provides the DOLLARS needed to manage the fisheries. This means putting in place laws.

    "...Insead we find ourselves in the middle of a turf war day after day..."

    Is this turf war in your mind or others?

    We are simply raising questions about the practice of jugging. Sure, some don't like it, but many don't like R&R fishing either, so we are even. This "turf war" as you call is getting more hype than it deserves. The problem is that myself and a few other raise a few questions and everyone gets all defensive.

    Sadly, NONE OF THE PRO JUGGING COMMUNITY on the BOC has come forth with any arguments for why jugging should not be further regulated, except of course for the emotional arguments.

    I have come up with more arguments for "their side" than they have.

    "...Instead of bringing people into it, it seems we are trying to run people out of it by various means up to and including having laws changed , new laws made, and even "playing" game warden on the water..."

    Name one law in NC concerning catfish that has run anyone out of the sport. Name one. Just one. Thats all I am asking for. One regulation that has run people out of the sport.

    Still waiting.

    Catfish are the most unregulated fish in the lake! There are more regulations on SHAD! :eek:oooh:

    As for game warden on the water, someone has to. The NCWRC officers are mainly concerned with boating law violations. The NCWRC will not send an officer out on the water for a jugging or angling infraction, so we need to do what we can within the law to help out.

    "...Catfishermen readily and eagerly talk crap about bass fishermen but they dont mind taking the same road...."

    Did you know that bass fishermen purchase more Viagra than any group of fishermen? :wink:

    Its all about performance anxiety. :smile2:

    Listen, we all talk crap about everyone. Bass fishermen about crappie fisherman. Brothers about sisters. Husbands about wives.. If talking crap made us bad, well, we would have alot of bad people.

    "...Work to disinfranchise anyone and everything that doesn't fit your program....".

    Wow, with that comment I gotta ask; are you on the Obama campaign? :smile2: :big_smile:

    Mack in NC I love the quote, "...you are a serious threat to all of fishing..."

    THAT IS SO FLATTERING!!! :smile2: :wink: :big_smile:

    Perhaps a little overdone, but flattering that you think "I", Wyliecat, has the power to threaten all of fishing.

    Thanks! :smile2:

    Stop laughing at me LakeNormanBlues!!! :big_smile::smile2:
     
  18. hunted

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    get ahold of ramrod,over on the ohio side.we used pretty much the same setup,he can tell you how his are.they worked pretty good.
     
  19. mack in n.c.

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    "catfish are the most unregulated fish in the lake! There are more regulations on SHAD!"

    there should be more regulations on shad than cats....american and hickory shad are native...the catfish you support are non native.....an introduced species.......if these cats become more regulated than shad it will be for 1 reason......greed and money...not the well being of our native fish in our waterways...........ask any group of bioligist in the southeast.......if they could(they cant) they would snap thir fingers and get rid of every brown and rainbow trout so the native applacihan brook trout could better survive.......same with channel , flats and blues...........i do love catching them but they should not be here and if i could i would remove them all....i will settle for catching them be it abu 7000, jug, or bushhook....next thing you will be wanting regulations on the snakeheads in the catawba.......introduced........mack
     
  20. WylieCat

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    "...american and hickory shad are native...the catfish you support are non native..."

    Good point, but we as a state, and country for that matter, LOVE non native fish.

    The largemouth bass is NOT native to all NC waters, and it is much more regulated than catfish. The same is true of the striped bass.

    Non-native fish are mainly sport fish, and introduced for anglers. They are a managed species that is there for enjoyment and they also generate money. They put dollars into the economy and provide funds for operating the NCWRC.

    BTW, I "support" all catfish. I do not discriminate. The native bullheads, channels, and white cats are just as loved as the flatties and blues. :smile2: