Met up with Jay ( grimpuppy) this morning for a few hours of drifting Milford lake. Jay was nice enough to take me out on his boat and show me a few tricks about late season blue cat fishing. I learned a couple of very important lessons: 1. Outside temperature does not reflect water temperature. It was 34 degrees outside but the water at 20 feet was around 54. I was kinda surprised by that. 2. I need bigger gear. I was fishing with 15 pound braid with 8 pound leaders and I felt seriously outgunned. If I had hooked into a big blue, it would have been a looooong fight to get him to the boat. 3. Bobbers are NOT just for the surface of the water. Jay showed me a technique that I never would have thought of on my own....and it worked. 4. The curse of the front rod holder is still going strong! Those of you who have fished with jay know what I'm talking about. :wink: 5. Milford lake in the middle of an October cold front is absolutely brutal. I need to break out the thermal underwear befor the mini gathering. And most importantly.... 6. BOC is full of good people who are more than willing to teach a catfish noob a thing or two about Kansas catfishing. :big_smile: Thanks again Jay, hopefully we can do this again at the mini. But I get the front rod holder.:wink: Oh, and we caught 3 eater size blues and two eater channels. Nothing huge but still alot of fun and educational. Here's a pic of jay trying to stop shivering long enough to take a pic of his channel.