I Don't Get It!

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  1. catfishrollo

    catfishrollo New Member

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    Well, I can't say I agree with everything involved in March Madness!! But, I can say... Why NIT Tourney? I'm a Buckeye, but NIT to me means........................ Not...... In ...Tournament!!!! When was the last time you went to a local mall seeing a kid wearing a shirt or hat saying " 2007 National NIT Champion"???? NO ONE CARES!!! LOL.... sorry needed to vent my frustrations towards wasted money for no reason! rollo
     
  2. ryang

    ryang Well-Known Member

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    LOL I thought you were talking about something else and just needed to sweettalk the old lady a little more:smile2::eek:oooh:, I dont get into BBall that much anyways and I still dont even know what NIT stands for :smile2:
     

  3. catfishrollo

    catfishrollo New Member

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    NOT IN TOURNAMENT! LOL..ROLLO!!:smile2:
     
  4. ryang

    ryang Well-Known Member

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    Here you go Jason a history of the National Invitation Tourny:wink:

    NIT Season Tip-Off / Preseason NIT Overview

    Peter Carlesimo was trying to save a tournament. The final step in his plan turned out to be brilliant: Start another tournament.
    The NIT was having trouble surviving in the college basketball culture of the 1980's. The NCAA tournament had become the star of the sports world every March and its shadow was growing yearly.
    Magic Johnson and Larry Bird were followed by moments of madness made by Michael Jordan and Jim Valvano.
    The NIT had age on its side - it started in 1938, one year before the NCAA. And for a while the NIT had more, then as much prestige as the NCAA. But things changed with the expansion of the NCAA field and the introduction of television into the picture.
    The NIT was second, and Peter Carlesimo, the tournament's executive director, wanted to make sure it would always be around, even as No. 2.
    In the late 1970's, he got the Metropolitan Intercollegiate Basketball Association - the five-school board that ran the tournament - to move early round games to campus sites, bringing survivors rather than the whole field to New York.
    Still, something had to be done to keep the National Invitaion Tournament successful in tough economic times.
    How about a preseason version of the NIT? A chance to stage some good early season match-ups and get fans interested in college basketball at a time of the year when football, pro and college, were the main interests of the sporting public. Carlesimo had a great idea that had some hurdles to clear.
    "Pete broached the idea and along with the committee, it was approved," recalled John W. Kaiser, the longtime athletic director at St. John's who served as president of the MIBA for 15 years, including the time the postseason grew and the preseason was conceived. "What we had to do was bring it before the NCAA convention to get premission from the membership to do it. With a lot of work it was approved and we could go ahead with it."
    The first preseason NIT, it was known then as the BIG Apple NIT, was going to be played in November 1985. Carlesimo did a pretty nice job of getting schools to participate in his regional concept tournament. Four-team minitournaments were played in Hartford, Cincinnati, Houston and Denver. The four winners advanced to Madison Square Garden for the semifinals and championship game.
    The survivors to the first semifinals were an impressive group: Duke, St. John's, Louisville and Kansas - three-quarters of the Final Four played four months later when Louisville won a second national championship for Denny Crum and Duke made the first of 10 Final Four appearances for Mike Krzyzewski.
    The number of people who saw the teams reach New York wasn't. The regional concept for the early rounds was a bust.
    "The first year, the area sites did not go very well. There was sparse attendance," Kaiser said. "After that we changed to the home campus format. It took a couple of years to take, but basically we were able to get very fine teams, so it took off."
    Carlesimo was sure the change in the early rounds was going to be difference. When a news conference was held to announce the new format, Carlesimo capped it with a definitive statement in his deep, booming voice.
    "We are all certain that the Big Apple NIT is destined to be a college basketball institution," Carlesimo said that day.
    He was right. Other preseason tournaments were just getting their legs under them. The Great Alaska Shootout started in 1978. The Maui Invitational didn't hit the national landscape until 1982 when tiny Chaminade upset No. 1 Virginia and Ralph Sampson.
    "Peter Carlesimo will be remembered for shepherding the NIT through a difficult time," said Dave Gavitt, one of college basketball's most influential leaders and the first commissioner of the Big East Conference. "He did some very creative and unique things with the NIT."
    The Preseason NIT kept its promise to include the mid-major conferences in its fields. Ohio University, led by Gary Trent, won the tournament in 1994.
    The Preseason NIT also kept its promise of having high quality fields. It's been tough to find a year when the participating coaches haven't complained about the level of the competition, the highest compliment a tournament organizer can receive.
    The Preseason NIT and the NIT have changed hands this year with the NCAA now in charge. Things shouldn't be too different from the way Peter Carlesimo left them when he retired in 1988. That was the year they named the Preseason NIT championship throphy in his honor.
    Three of the early Preseason NITs were amoung the most important of the 20 played.
    1985
    The first has to mean a lot to the future of any event and the inaugural Preseason NIT drew headlines right away.
    No.5 Kansas, No.6 Duke, No.9 Louisville and No. 18 St. John's made it to the Garden, and Duke won it all with a 92-86 victory over Kansas. When the Final Four was decided at the end of the season, there was suddenly a lot of looking back to Thanksgiving weekend and people started realizing how much of an impact a preseason tournment could have.
    "That was a dream final four four for us," Carlesimo said at the time. "That's why people want a tournament like this."
    Duke had one of the country's top backcourts in Johnny Dawkins and Tommy Amaker, but the first MVP award went to forward David Henderson, the Blue Devils' sixth man and defensive specialist who started in place of injured center Jay Bilas. Henderson scored a career-high 30 points on 12-for-14 shooting.
    Henderson was joined on the all-tournament team by Watler Berry of St. John's, who went on to be selected national player of the year, Pervis Ellision of Louisville, went on to become the first freshman to be selected MVP of the Final Four in 42 years, Dawkins, Ron Kellogg of Kansas and Billy Thompson of Louisville.
    1986
    Preseason NIT No. 2 big because of the "three."
    The NCAA had introduced a major change to college basketball in 1986 with the addition of the 45-second shot clock (it would be changed to 35 seconds for the 1993-94 season).
    The 1986-87 season was going to see the addition of the three-point arc, something that had been used on an experimental basis, but was now on every court, 19 feet, 9 inches from the hoop.
    The Preseason NIT was a perfect showcase for everyone to see how big an impact the line was going to be, and UNLV and coach Jerry Tarkanian made sure everyone noticed, and noticed, and noticed.
    UNLV rallied from from a 21-point deficit to beat Western Kentucky, 96-95, in double overtime in the championship game. The Runnin' Rebels made 10-of-27 three-point attempts. The Hilltoppers went 1-for-4.
    While fans in the Garden were still buzzing about Freddie Banks and Gerald Paddio hitting the long jumpers worth an extra point, first-year Western Kentucky coach Murray Arnold was leading the nay side of the issue.
    "They've made a mockery of the three-piont goal," he said after the title game. "I said all along that it was a bad rule and tonight was an example of it. Tonight was an example why the rules committee should come back to their senses and bring back sanity to the game."
    When the Final Four was played in New Orleans the next March, UNLV and the "three" were again the topic of conversation. In the national semifinals against Indiana, Banks made 10 three's, a Final Four record that still stands. It seemed like every time one of his three's fell, every eye in the SuperDome turned to see the reaction of Hoosiers coach Bob Knight. How it impressed Knight was visible two nights later when Indiana beat Syracuse, 74-73, in the title game and Steve Alford of the Hoosiers hit seven three's, still tied for the most in a championship game.
    1989
    How big the Preseason NIT could be in a team's season was illustrated in fifth edition of the tournament.
    Kansa was in its second season under coach Roy Williams. The Jayhawks were working through probation his first season and they weren't garnering a whole lot of attention in year two.
    Kansas was picked anywhere from fifth to eighth in the preseason Big Eight polls. Nationally, the Jayhawks weren't even among others receiving votes in national Top 25s.
    But Kansas was in the Preseason NIT field, along with No. 1 UNLV, No. 2 LSU and No. 25 St. John's. Following a first-round win over Alabama-Birmingham, those teams were the Jayhawks' victims on the way to the title.
    The story has long made the rounds that Williams was playing in a charity golf event in the offseason when he overheard a TV executive talking about the LSU-UNLV matchup as one of the best in recent memories. Williams went back to Lawrence and let them know there was no reason to bother playing the LSU game because everyone knew who the winner would be. A good coach gets better with motivation on hand.
    The Jayhawks beat LSU, and star guard Chris Jackson and freshman center Shaquille O'Neal, 89-83. Then top-ranked UNLV went down, 91-77, and finally Kansas beat St. John's on its second homecourt, 66-57.
    Kansa went from unranked to No. 4, still the biggest jump-in the history of the AP poll. The Jayhawks started a run of NCAA tournament appearances that season that continues today. The Preseason NIT got it all going.
    Some of the former MVP's of the tournament include:
    Vernon Maxwell, Florida (1987)
    Sherman Douglas, Syracuse (1988)
    Chris Mills, Arizona (1990)
    Byron Houston, Oklahoma State (1991)
    Calbert Cheaney, Indiana (1992)
    Gary Trent, Ohio (1994)
    Allen Iverson, Georgetown (1995)
    Andrae Patterson, Indiana (1996)
    Paul Pierce, Kansas (1997)
    Gilbert Arenas, Arizona (1999)
    Carlos Boozer, Duke (2000)
    Rashad McCants, North Carolina (2002)
    Shelden Williams, Duke (2005)
    Many other great players have passed through this tournament as well. This list of stars contains players who have gone on to play in the NBA, as well as, players who have gone on to play professionally overseas. The list includes: Cory Alexander, Virginia
    Tommy Amaker, Duke
    Greg Anthony, UNLV
    Stacey Augman, UNLV
    Shawn Bradley, Bringham Young
    Marcus Camby, Massachusetts
    Sam Cassell, Florida State
    Derrick Coleman, Syracuse
    Hubert Davis, North Carolina
    Johnny Dawkins, Duke
    Terry Dehere, Seton Hall
    Tyus Edney, UCLA
    Howard Eisley, Boston College
    Sean Elliott, Arizona
    LaPhonso Ellis, Notre Dame
    Pervis Ellison, Louisville
    Danny Ferry, Duke
    Tom Gugliotta, N.C. State
    Tim Hardaway, UTEP
    Matt Harpring, Georgia Tech
    Hersey Hawkins, Bradley
    Alan Henderson, Indiana
    Grant Hill, Duke
    Allan Houston, Tennessee
    Bobby Hurley, Duke
    Chris Jackson, LSU
    Jimmy Jackson, Ohio State
    Larry Johnson, UNLV
    Arturas Karnishovas, Seton Hall
    Steve Kerr, Arizona
    Jason Kidd, California
    Bo Kimble, Loyola Marymount
    Stacy King, Oklahoma Christian Laettner, Duke
    Raef LaFrentz, Kansas
    Voshon Leonard, Minnesota
    Matt Maloney, Pennsylvania
    Danny Manning, Kansas
    Stephon Marbury, Georgia Tech
    Antonio McDyess, Alabama
    Jim McIlvaine, Marquette
    Roshown McLeod, St. John's
    Oliver Miller, Arkansas
    Eric Montross, North Carolina
    Chris Morris, Auburn
    Lawrence Moten, Syracuse
    Lamond Murray, California
    Ed O'Bannon, UCLA
    Shaquille O'Neal, LSU
    Greg Ostertag, Kansas
    Billy Owens, Syracuse
    Chuck Person, Auburn
    Khalid Reeves, Arizona
    J.R. Reid, North Carolina
    Glen Rice, Michigan
    David Robinson, Navy
    Roy Rogers, Alabama
    Malik Sealy, St. John's
    Lionel Simmons, LaSalle
    Jerry Stackhouse, North Carolina
    Bobby Sura, Florida State
    John Wallace, Syracuse
    Rasheed Wallace, North Carolina
    Charlie Ward, Florida State
    Jayson Williams, St. John's
     
  5. jim

    jim New Member

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    The NIT has never been popular but it was proposed as an alternative for schools that might not make the big dance on a regular basis.It also offers these smaller schools an opportunity to earn revenue to fund their athletic programs,a chance for some premier athletes to showcase their talents on a national stage.AND sometimes it is a consolation for those schools on the bubble that dont quite make MM.EVen the big tournaments have consolation games and if there was only one tournament we would never get to see some really great players strut their stuff particularly from the smaller schools.:big_smile:
     
  6. catfishrollo

    catfishrollo New Member

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    did you see my name in the middle?:smile2: rollo
     
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    catfishrollo New Member

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    I understand, But, seems to me this whole tourney year after year is just a consolation tournament...... They had how many regular season games to show themselves???? I have coached high school ball, and maybe its my competitiveness, but i would rather not play in the NIT if I can't go BIG ...rollo
     
  8. catfisherman_eky3

    catfisherman_eky3 New Member

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    LOL i never thought about that one,
     
  9. catfishjohn

    catfishjohn New Member

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    Rollo you're just mad OSU didn't make it to the Big Dance...:tounge_out::wink::smile2: J/K

    My NCAA Basketball team is kicking tail and a #1 seed...UNC BABY!!!
     
  10. Mark J

    Mark J New Member

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    I dont think the goal of any sanctioned sport should be to go big. So many of these players aren't going to go big after college and a great many dont even aspire to play professional ball.
    If its about being competitive then the NIT is great. You still have the oppertunity to play competitively in a national tournament with teams more close to your level of play. No big TV coverage or sweatshirts? Big deal, its supposed to be about playing ball.

    I'm glad I'm not a big fan of sports even though I played sports.
    There is a team here and there I like to hear that has done well but I dont really care one way or the other. Its like racing. I'm a fan of racing. I used to watch every race until the last several years. I cant tell you who won the Bristol night race race 3 years ago or the Daytona 500 3 years ago with any certainty.

    Bragging rights are the short lived soon forgotten whipped cream for the fans.
    The schools are after the money. That is the biggest problem college sports face. Its less and less about athletics and academics and more about money and TV deals. Sadly the fans play into it more and more for less and less.
     
  11. seacatfish

    seacatfish New Member

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    Rollo, it is only diplomacy that restrains me from pointing out that basketball is just a waste of good mat space.:eek:oooh::smile2: