Hook up Ratio

Discussion in 'LOCAL PENNSYLVANIA TALK' started by klkipe, Jul 22, 2009.

  1. klkipe

    klkipe New Member

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    Hey guys new to this forum and to flathead fishing, I have been reading the posts on here for about a month but this is my first post, I hadnt had any questions that were not already answered until now.

    So me and my buddy have been fishing the Susky in lower PA for last month for flatheads and with the info on this forum and talkin to people that fish that area have started to catch some fish. But here is where my problem starts. We went out monday night and landed 5 the biggest of which was 14 lbs but we had at least 15 takers and only landed those 5. The fish are not breaking are line we just arent hooking them.

    This is how we have been doing it and what we have been using. We are using 8/0 circle hooks both Team Catfish and Gamak.. After the fish picks up the bait , mostly 6 in. bluegills hooked between the tail and dorsel fin, we let them free spool for anywhere from say 30 seconds to a minute then we slow lift up the rod and start reeling. Are hook ups are only around 30% which seemed kinda poor to me, but i thought i would see if any of you had any info that would help. I guess the worst part on monday night was i had at least 3 of the fish hooked and they were pulling drag, and then i would feel a pop and the fish was gone, and i always got my hook back. :angry: SUPER FRUSTRATING!!!

    Any how just wondered if you guys could share your hookup ratios and any different kind of hooks or methods of using circle hooks that may help me. And i will try to post some fish porn and reports as soon as i figure out how to put pics on here.

    :big_smile: Thanks, Ken
     
  2. bw69r

    bw69r Well-Known Member

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    get some kahle hooks or the matzuo sickle hooks.
     

  3. waynesburgjay

    waynesburgjay New Member

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    welcome to the club Ken
     
  4. DIESELkat

    DIESELkat New Member

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    Might need to step up the size of your hooks also. Flatheads are not hook shy so use the biggest you can get. 10/0 are not too big as long as the bait can swim freely with them. Ive been having the same problem (just ask Brian and Jay) and another thing that Im thinking is that I need to let the rod load up after I engage the reel and before I set the hook. I was trying to let them get a good run and engage the reel and set the hook quickly so the fish didnt feel the weight, but I think with the current, amount of line out after they run off 30 more yards than I casted, and the weight making the line bow, I just had too much slack to get a solid hook set. I believe that is why we both feel that the fish is on for a few seconds and then it comes off. The flat has his mouth closed pretty hard on the bait, and when you set the hook he feels it but doesnt really want to let his dinner go so he holds on. After a couple seconds he realizes something isnt right and spits it out. Hope this helps and welcome to the club.
     
  5. USCA-RECLAIMED-ACCOUNT

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    Welcome to the BOC Ken.Lot of guys gonna disagree,but IMO I,d switch over to some good J hooks and watch your hookup rate go way up.In a boat, I ,d feel more comfortable with circles,but from shore,you,re not getting the same angle.:eek:oooh:.:0a25:
     
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  6. MikeV

    MikeV New Member

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    30 seconds is too long for me,a miinute im probaly sleeping, i count fast to 5-15 seconds,unless i'm useing bait over a foot long. no circles,try hooking them somewhere else if its not working,two weeks ago i missed 5 times in a row with the hook there, untill i switched it up and it didnt happen again.it could just be a bunch a lil fiddlers messin witcha.trow out some cut they will leave after you put a 8/0 hook in thier face.haha
     
  7. Blacky

    Blacky New Member

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    It called small fish mouthing your bait :cool2:and not big enough to swallow.
     
  8. Bigfish4me

    Bigfish4me New Member

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    More than likely tan is right.....ditch the circle hooks too, i give them any where from a 5-15 count but usually the rate of line leaving your reel is the best indicator.....how much lead are you using? If your swinging and completly missing they already dropped the bait.....using bait runner reels and clicker on? Too much tension on the clicker and they can feel it and that can cause them to drop the bait as well.....if your coming back baitless= small fish that didnt get the part of the bait with the hook in it in its mouth. I fish a miniscule little 1/0 hook........my ratio is pushing 90%....then again i been at it a loooong time and i fish from a boat so i can get away with alot less led than chucking it from the bank....keep at it it takes a while to get into the rythem of feeding them the bait, the only way to get it down is practice......i would ditch the circle hook first...when you do go to strike make sure you reel untill the rod starts to load up then swing for the fence....there is a big belly of semi slack line after the run off....if you dont get it out you wont get a solid hook up.
     
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  9. Fishgeek

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    I've used circle hooks about twice in my entire life so can't say much. But, a buddy loaned my his In-Fisherman video "A day on the river" and Stange said when he uses circles with his clicker on, once the click goes off he engages the real & waits to feel the fish tugging. When he feels that, he keeps his rod pointed at the fish and reels very fast until the fish is hooked, then he'll raise his rod tip & fight the flathead. So, I guess he's simulating the rod load-up by just reeling his line in until that circle hook slides to the corner of the flats mouth & digs in.
     
  10. klkipe

    klkipe New Member

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    All the info on hooks and waiting too long is very helpful. I am not buying the little fish theory, maybe a few of those were little but the 3 that i am concerned about had my rod doubled over and were pulling off drag in a way no little fish could do.

    Thanks again I appreciate all the info.
    Ken
     
  11. Pennsylvaniacatchaser

    Pennsylvaniacatchaser Well-Known Member

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    Ken - I know some guys on here are not fans of circle hooks but I personally love them! I see from your pic that your fishing from a boat which is where I have my circle hook experience. The thing with the circle hooks is having the proper type of rod. A rod with a slow taper is best. You don't let the fish run instead you wait for the rod to load up, this is where the slow taper comes into play. Wait till the rod is bent completely over, tip pointed at the water, then simply pick up and start reeling. No hook setting involved. The act of the rod loading pulls the hook towards the corner of the fishes mouth, the design of the hook allows it to turn and catch the corner of the mouth as the fish moves away. It takes some getting used to since the natural reaction is to want to set the hook. The Gamakatsus and Team Catfish hooks are excellent choices. Always make sure the point is super sharp, keep a sharpener with you and put a needle point on them! I also use Kahle hooks but really think highly of the circles while fishing from a boat.
     
  12. lendog

    lendog New Member

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    the past few trips iv'e been gettin the same taps on my baits, alot of times its small channel cats or small flatty's just teasin the baits and only grab half the sunny, i use 8/0 off set circles and don't have a problem once the fish actually commits to the bait, make sure the circle hooks ya use are off-set that also helps with the hook ratio:wink:
    welcome to the site
     
  13. Big Sam

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    :0a25: to the Hood!!!:big_smile:
     
  14. Kat Head

    Kat Head New Member

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    Ken, I've only been out for channels, no flatties. But all I use is circle hooks anymore. The only time I've not had them hook up is when I get a little fish teasing my bait. As soon as a fish starts taking my line I pull the rod from the holder and engage the reel. I don't start reeling, I just let the fish load up the rod and he's hooked. If he's not taking line very fast slowly pull your rod to the side not up towards the sky, I found that helps. Stick with it, you'll get em.
     
  15. kenlaw76

    kenlaw76 Well-Known Member

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    Welcome aboard! I perfer using the circles myself.
     
  16. moose22dog

    moose22dog New Member

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    i use to swear by those damn circle hooks, but latley i have been haveing the same thing happening to me. so i switch to a 7/0 live bait hook and let them run for about 5-10 sec( depends on how much line they take out) then swing back and try to rip there lips out.(lol) seems to help some, but i still use circle's on a rod in a holder with the drag set to about 3-4 pounds off the tip of the rod, not just straight from the reel. so they can still run and hook themself's, hope this helps and welcome to the campfire...justin
     
  17. Blacky

    Blacky New Member

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    Put on a smaller hook and find out for yourself!:cool2:
     
  18. kenlaw76

    kenlaw76 Well-Known Member

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    I used to use Kahale hooks. Some of my spots have overhanging trees and you can't set the hook, so I started using circle hooks. Last year I caught a #38 Flat and when I set the hook on that mother, I sprained my wrist. Circles work good if you learn how to use them effectively. Everyone has their prefrence in hooks, but they all work.
     
  19. ifishway2much

    ifishway2much New Member

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    If I remember correctly, your dad caught four and lost only one. Yes! I joined the forum as well. Lots of good info on this site.
     
  20. USCA-RECLAIMED-ACCOUNT

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