I'm gonna try some MB650's. I have a buddy who has started handling some of Minnesota Trapline Products stuff & he told me the 650's are the best trap he's ever used. He ain't kidding, these suckers are nice nice nice. He even speed dipped them for me before I picked em up. Can't beat a deal like that. I sure hope they catch me some fur, 'cause after parting with that kinda money I'm gonna need them to!!! If any of you guys are considering a new coyote/cat trap, I don't know how you could beat these traps. They're super strong and the pan is enormous.