Good vs Evil, Really?

Discussion in 'NFL Talk' started by floundahman, Nov 5, 2007.

  1. floundahman

    floundahman New Member

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    Well it's only 1 day after the big Pats-Colts game and there are new allegations that the paragons of virtue in the NFL (The Indianapolis Colts) cheated!:confused2: I thought that it was only the evil empire ruled by Darth Hoody that "bent" the rules. I realize that it hasn't been proven that Indy "amplified" crowd noise during NE's offensive possessions, but there were "audio anomalies" on a number of occasions. Tony Dungy ripped Biliechek after "spy cam-gate". I wonder what his response to "noise-gate" will be. I'm convinced that most teams break the rules to gain an advantage and sometimes the loudest critics are just diverting attention from themselves. "Sophisticated" fans my foot. Sophisticated sound system maybe. It doesn't make a lick of difference to me, the Pats won! Biliechek didn't hide the fact that he was filming the opposition, so even though he was wrong, he paid his fine and moved on. If the allegations prove to be true, then the Colts would be guilty of Cheating and hypocrisy. Good vs Evil, really?
     
  2. baitchunker

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    screw the pats. (into a light bulb).

    he is just mad because he got cought. what happened to honor among thieves? i am not a colts fan, but i do like peyton, and dungy.

    i think they all cheat. wouldnt you? with millions + dollars riding on it? be honest.
     

  3. metalman

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    Jim,
    "Sophisticated" fans my foot...You really believe the home crowd aren't smart enough to up their output when the visiting QB is trying to call plays and tone it down for the home team?
    If you've been to the dome you will know that the Colts fans make a huge noise. You will also know that they are equally quiet when Manning is talking.
    I think if there were microphones and speakers involved there would be some horrendous feedback resulting in that screeching wail that public address systems are famous for.
    Having said that I would bet any amount that if someone did tamper with the sound Tony Dungy is unaware of it...W
     
  4. jim

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    Well if they did tamper with it I would say they need a few more Bazillion decibels because they lost.:smile2::eek:oooh:It aint cheating if you lose its only cheating if you win!!!!! HAHAHAHAHA thought you sophistcated BOCsters knew that.You should have been in the old Mile High Stadium in Denver when the Broncos were winning.You could not hear the person next to you if they were shouting.Those fans knew how to turn it up and that was an outdoor stadium.Who was it that sent the snow plow out to clear a path for their field goal kicker? HUH HUH wasnt that the Pats.That was years ago against the Dolphins I think.:smile2::wink:See they have always cheated!!!!!!!:smile2:
     
  5. Ketch

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    No one complains about cheating if you lose.

    Back in 1998, the MetroDome in Minneapolis was accused of the same "piping" of sound. We were 15-1 that season.

    Guess what? Wanna know why we are quieter today? Because we are 3-5.

    Either we were successful because we piped in sound, or we were louder because we were winning. You decide.
     
  6. floundahman

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    Winston, It has been suggested that the "skipping" in crowd noise may have been due to feedback from CBS. I don't buy it. Feedback doesn't sound like a skip in a recording. The accusation isn't that the current noise is being amplified but recorded noise is being played over the speaker system along with the crowd noise. All fans try to impact the game by making noise while the opponent has the ball or waving wildly behind the goalposts to distract a kicker. It's a whole other story when the sound system is being employed to "aid" the crowd in distracting an offense. Most stadiums play loud music leading up to the opening kickoff and between plays, but once the ball is in play the sound is shut off. It is against the rules to utilize the sound system to distract the visiting team, so if it is being done, it is cheating. For Colts fans, especially those that have taken pride in "causing" false start penalties and botched audibles, this would be a hard pill to swallow. I realize that these allegations have not been proven, and the Colts should get the benefit of the doubt (innocent until proven guilty). In the end, teams must execute on the field, no matter what nonsense is going on in the periphery. This week, and every week so far, the Pats have executed.
     
  7. floundahman

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    The truth gets lost in the absurd.:roll_eyes: Like I said in the previous post the teams must execute. If sound was piped in then y'all cheated. Whether you won or lost is irrelevant. I would never suggest that the Vikings won 15 games because they piped in sound. I'm simply pointing out the hypocrisy amongst those who jumped all over the Pats, especially Colts fans that claimed that yesterday's game was a battle of good vs evil. I would rather suggest that it was a battle between good (Colts) and really good (Pats).:wink:
     
  8. Ketch

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    From what I heard from doing some research, it didn't sound like the "interference" was heard at the stadium. Sounds like a CBS issue from what I have read.

    I gotta hand it to the Pats for winning. They did good.
     
  9. Coyote1

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    I'm not 100% sure but I thought that the issue of ACOUSTICS being "Bad" inside the RCA dome was brought up again by one of the announcers on the TV???
    Domes in general are a HORROR to try and get good sounds without distortions of any kind in! You have all that supporting steel in the dome itself that resonates at all different sound levels because it's all different lengths itself! Add in all the people that are there, throw in all those voices not to mention all the bodies with clothes that are there changing the sound characteristics of the dome too!
    I can say with some certainty the following two things.
    1. ALL the football teams are always looking for some kind of "Edge" no matter how small it might be because if a team is not winning then the people with all the money are getting very, VERY, upset!!! Just look at the StL Rams!!!!! :crazy::eek:oooh: So, in the professional league's of football I think winning is all that matters anymore. Winning makes more money, which leads to bigger paychecks, more TV commercials, ect, ect, ad nasium!
    Someone just said that "it's only cheating if you get caught". There is a lot of truth in that statement! Someone is studying the Romulan Rule Books!! <eg>
    However, just as an example, If I was a betting person, I would bet that if not this year, then by the new season next year the practice of calling a "Time Out" just before the ball is snapped for a Field Goal Kick will be "illegal" and will have some kind of time limits and all put on it that will make the rules even more difficult to understand for all the rest of us!
    2. I have always been fond of saying that On ANY Given Day, no matter if it's Football, Basketball, Hockey, Competitive Shooting, or any other "Sport" that the top three or four teams/persons could win "today" and not "tomorrow" or vice versa! When you get to the top levels of your "Sport" then on any given day you can Win, or Loose! The day that someone, or science, or something?, figures out what controls or causes the changes that make us win or loose, what those changes are or are not, will be the day that I quit watching some sports! Think about it, and if you understand what I am saying, I think many of you would end up agreeing with me.
    At any rate, no matter if someone is or isn't, or someone does or doesn't, are or aren't, ect, Ect, certainly makes for some interesting, and sometimes lively, conversations!!:smile2:
    By the way, Yes, I am a "Pat's" fan as is my wife; Raven, and something I've not seen anyone talk about yet is that WONDERFUL DAY that Bret Farve had yesterday too!??????? We are a fan of Bret too! :wink:
    You ALL Take Care, Agree to Disagree without getting the guns and knives out, and most importantly, HAVE Fun doing so in a Mature Fashion!
    Sincerely, Fraternally, and Cordially,
    Coyote1
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  10. floundahman

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    I've read that the NFL investigation has concluded that the noise in question was with CBS' feed and not the speaker system in the RCA Dome. The Patriots' team president must have been listening to the CBS feed in the box. I don't know anything at all about audio broadcasting so I have a question I hope someone can answer. Why was only the crowd noise affected and not the announcers? It appears that the two are broadcast simultaneously one "skipped" the other didn't. As I said I don't know a thing about such things and am not suggesting any impropriety. The Colts have been cleared of any wrong doing.
     
  11. Coyote1

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    Dear Brother Dumont;
    Jim, I am not an audio electrical specialist but I called someone who is. The short, and easier to explain and understand, answer is that each microphone, has it's own feed. Now, there are several "Feeds" that go into several processors/amplifiers and, of course, there are several Outputs too.
    If ALL of the "Feeds" went to the SAME AMPLIFIER, and if ALL the outputs went to the SAME Speaker/Earphones, ect, then it would have affected everyone listening to the speaker.
    However, as I understand it, there are virtually hundreds of imputes going into several amplifiers/processors which in turn send the signals into many, many, different speakers and outputs, the problem only showed up in those being affected!
    WHEW!!!! I almost went :crazy:Crazy just on that explanation alone!! :embarassed::eek:oooh:!
    If you have ever seen a person wearing earphones and standing near the sidelines holding what looks like a half of a plastic sphere with an antenna sticking out of the middle of it you are looking at one of those Inputs that I spoke of.
    This is one of the ways that is used to get those "audibles" from the players that they show on a TV Special where you can hear the real CUSSING {{ Which I will not repeat here!!! }} at the time it was said during the game! Usually this kind of feed is what you hear when they make one of those "information" broadcasts by the NFC/AFC when they have one of those "After Season" specials for the hardcore football fans during the off season!
    Well, here is hoping that my explanation helped ya out. If not, at least I tried!
    Hopefully, and I DO hope so, some smart "Sound Engineer" will join us and get everything straightened out in the way that everyone can understand it! :big_smile:
    For now,
    Have a GREAT Day
    Fraternally,
    Coyote1
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  12. metalman

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    Jim,
    I heard the same thing this morning. I agree with you, the Patriots did execute on the field and that is ultimately where it counts...W