OK I got this 3d graphics/animation program called 3D Canvas by Amabilis. The program itself is not very good - it gets "unrecoverable errors" and shuts down if you do something it doesn't like. But if I am careful enough it works fine.:tounge_out: I am learning how to do some of this stuff on my own. I downloaded the program and started work. At first all I could make was a few planets that orbited. In only a few days I have come this far. The animation part is actually a little easier than creating the 3d objects. I have no trouble with keyframes and moving the camera around. In a few weeks I might be getting good at this. all right... just thought I would share this. I'm not interested in doing it for a living, just for fun. who else does this kind of stuff?