i appreciate the input from all the brothers that where kind enough to help a third year catman out but here is some more questions. what about in a lake where there is no fast movin current? does that change what they do or do they still do the samething?How warm does the water have to be before they start movin around again??and is it a good choice when fishin for shovelheads(flatties)to fish snags all the time anything they could get under or behind??or do they hit as good in open water?your input will be very helpfull to me. and i need more information bout the gathering next month i would really like to find some good river spots like SMAN was talkin bout.