Fishing Reel Line Recommendations

Discussion in 'Fishing Reel Review' started by tnkatman, Jun 18, 2006.

  1. tnkatman

    tnkatman New Member

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    The Recommendations On Reels For Line Capacity, Does It Or Can It Damage The Reel For Putting Say 40 # Mono. On A Reel When The Recommendations Say 17 # Or Does This Mean You Will Get Less 40# Than 17 # Without Any Damage To The Reel ?
     
  2. barbel

    barbel New Member

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    What I have found is that when they post the ratings on there (like 17/245 and things) what it means is those are the recommended line sizes to get enough line on, without making you buy 50 dollars worth to fill your spool. It usually isnt good to set your drag to a higher weight either, although most reels that I know of wont go up to like 40 pounds (unless I am mistaken). So suppose you got a garcia that was rated for 250 yards of 17 pound test line. It wouldnt be a good idea to put 40 pound test line on there because the line diameter is almost, if not over, two and a half times the recommended line's diameter. So you would only get like 100 yards of line on the reel if you spooled it with 40 pound mono. I hope this helps, and it makes sense :big_smile:
     

  3. rcneman

    rcneman New Member

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    i think the "stats" are solely for capacity purposes.

    Yeah, sure one might argue that a higher LB line may damage the reel, but i have had reels blow-up on me with small line and large fish.


    cyas
    rc
     
  4. peewee williams

    peewee williams New Member

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    Rod and reel manufactures representatives have repeatedly told me that the maximum weight stated on the equipment is the maximum that it was designed for.As long as you set your drag CORRECTLY for the maximum specified line weight,a quality outfit is made to handle it.It may not operate as well with too small or too large a line diameter,as the reel was not designed to.I have used heavy,hard,stiff, large diameter mono.for years for fishing in saltwater.I only used it around and in reefs,pilings,or jetties where shell would cut your line.I often used a short lighter leader if necessary.I always set my drag for the rod and reel recommendations with these heavy lines.Why do you think AbuGarcia and Ugly Stik no longer have lifetime warranties? I got this info.from the people that make them.peewee-williams
     
  5. howardstern

    howardstern New Member

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    so i could use 30 pound mono on my abu 6500c3?

    thats ok but i need to cast far. would that reel cast all the line off? and is 30 really enough if i land into a 50+ size fish?

    hs
     
  6. flathunter

    flathunter New Member

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    I use 30-lb mono on some of my 6500c3's..I caught a 50-lb flathead with it..Now you cant go making a 150yd cast or you will use all the line up.
     
  7. Coyote1

    Coyote1 New Member

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    Dear Brothers;
    PeeWee is correct in what he says. This is also the advice to follow on rods. Over the past few years I have spoken with many of the people directly related to rods, reels, and their limits.
    I started asking the very same questions because I was considering trying out some of those new "spectra" lines where a 30# line was like an 8# or 12# diameter!
    To sum the answers I got from the "Pro's" that I spoke with here is what I was told.
    Rods: if you use larger lines you start subjecting your rod to forces and stresses that it was NOT designed to handle! I'm sure that some of you have done so and gotten by with it.
    Same thing with reels. Most recently I spoke with the folks up at Penn Fishing Tackle that repair their reels. It's the same thing with reels. Yes, to a point, you can get by using larger lines. But again, your going to end up placing stresses on the equipment that it's not designed to handle. The folks at Penn tell me if you need to use a heavier line or need more capacity; get a bigger reel/rod.
    I know many of you have used larger lines, et al, for years and gotten by with it. But sooner or later, and if it's a trophy or world record fish, and your luck is like mine, you will pay just before landing the fish!!! :sad2:
    I also found out that if you will contact them, most reel and rod manufactures will send you free information and catalogs and will also connect you with their in plant "Product Specialists" to help answer your questions you may have about their products. It may cost you a phone call, postage, ect, but the more you can learn about your products the more you will be able to make an informed choice and the less chance you will have of being disappionted.
    Listen to PeeWee, contact your Rod/Reel manufactures and become an "Informed Consumer".
    I might ad one other thing too. We BOC folks are fortunate to have one of our own as a professional Rod person that can give you sage advice in these areas too.
    You might consider looking into some of the threads posted by Gator, of "Gator Rods" fame, and read what he has to say too.
    Although a very busy person, I've never known him to refuse giving a considered opinion, or professional advice, to a member that is sincerely trying to learn and expand their skills. As he does shark fishing too, I am sure he can help you out considerably if you will listen to what he tells you.
    As far as the 30# line for a 50# fish question.
    I feel that is a personal decision that is best made based on your goals, tempered by your previous experiences. I would think that "Common Sense" and your pocketbook/wallet issues would also come into play here too.
    I will say this. Larger fish have been landed on smaller line and smaller fish have been landed on larger line! In the end, only you can choose what is best for Y-O-U!
    I hope this helps in some small way.
    "Walk In Peace"
    Coyote1
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  8. howardstern

    howardstern New Member

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    I sorta understand about using larger line on a rod.. but let say im using 65 pound tuf line specta fiber line and I have a 80 pound fish on it..wont the fish pull on that line the same as if I were using 30 pound line, thus, putting just as much stress on the rod?

    I have a larger reel that claim it can hold 30 pound of mono at 325 yards.. but it's just to big and cant cast near the distance that Id like for it to..

    thanks for all the comments..

    HS
     
  9. Taliesin

    Taliesin New Member

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    Very true.

    As you use higher pount test lines you still have to set your drag to match the weakest part of your tackle, and that may not be the line anymore. I have seen people using some of the superbraids that set their drag for the line and break the pole or reel. An ultralight just can't handle drag set for 20# (6# test diameter line).

    Example: I use a MH Ugly Stik surf rod with Shimano 6500 reel. It's spooled with 80# test Power Pro (18# test diameter) and 50# test mono leader. The drag is set at 25 to 30#, which is the top test line the rod and reed are designed for. If I set the drag for the leader (or worse, the main line) and hooked a really big fish, the rod or reel may break before the line does.
     
  10. howardstern

    howardstern New Member

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    I pretty much keep my drag set low, its right there handy if I need to make it tighter. I have yet to break into the 10 pound cat club so I am not to worried about a pole breaking as of yet. I broke a new pole on its first night out on a 2 pound cat LOL.. (They sent me a new one)

    Do you have problems with your tips getting a slit cut into it using that power pro line? I would assume its pretty much the same as this Tuf Line that I am using..

    HS
     
  11. Taliesin

    Taliesin New Member

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    three things I really like about Power Pro:
    1: No stretch
    2: No memory
    3: Does not abrade the guides on the rod or reel. It's a very smooth round line.
     
  12. howardstern

    howardstern New Member

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    so does the Man. recommendations apply to line thickness or test line? 65 pound Tuff Line is equal to 14 pound mono. In that aspect I would be within the guidlines of my reel.

    And why would Tuff Line cut the eye tips but not Power Pro. Are the eyes of your tips stainless steel or some sort of ceramic?


    HS
     
  13. Taliesin

    Taliesin New Member

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    If you read my setup above, I set my drag to the heaviest pound test the rod and reel can handle, not to the pound test of the line. The manual recommendations are for pound test of the line itself, but if you use a smaller or larger diameter your casting may suffer from that as well.

    I don't know about Tuff Line, but Power Pro is specially designed to be smooth and "perfectly" round so that it will not cut into anything. After one season most of my poles have some wear from mono (yes I fish a LOT), so I am hoping to avoid that. I just started using it this year, but no wear yet (over 150 hours fishing already).
     
  14. Coyote1

    Coyote1 New Member

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    Folks,
    I'm going to step back here because your getting into some areas where I don't have any practical experience to share. I do know that if you have the old style stainless steel guides that many of the newer "superlines" will virtually cut them to ribbons.
    There are many newer guides, and better quality lines too, that will stand up well to each other.
    To get the best answer, I would like to suggest you take this issue to one of our members that makes a living building rods and that keeps up with all the new lines that come out as well as the new guides and the materials they are made out of and will know what works and what does not.
    Let me suggest you take your question to "Gator"/Mr. Jim Hudson. His profile and other contact information can be found in our BOC files. :smile2:
    I have spoken on the phone with Jim in times past and this man Knows His Stuff!
    I hope this helps you all out some. If you get a chance, let me know if it does or if I can help any of you in any way.
    Cordially,
    Coyote1
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  15. Catman 1964

    Catman 1964 New Member

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    Try some of the Superlines you can get a higher Lb test# with the same diameter of the lighter lines. Catfish connection has a good selection and they can answer any of your questions. Take care and God bless.
     
  16. Anguluva

    Anguluva New Member

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    This is an interesting topic. Since all my fishing is done in the sea (including catfish at estuaries) with no snags around we just set the drag to approximately 1/4 of the recommended line test for the reel or 1/4 of the mono test used and once the fish is hooked we let them run against the drag till they tire (no further tightening of the drag) then once they stop we 'pump' them in.
    Why do you gentlemen need to tighten the drag to max ? is it to prevent the fish from swimming into a snag ? Excuse my ignorance.
     
  17. howardstern

    howardstern New Member

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    I never set my drag to the max. Actually I set me loose if anything.. I can always make it tighter if I get a good size fish on..

    But my question is you all talk about setting the drag to such and such setting. What are you using to gage this? is it just a guess? are you using a scale of some kind? just asking
     
  18. peewee williams

    peewee williams New Member

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    #1 way-I take a bucket and a scale.I add weight to the bucket untill I get the weight that I want.I thread my rod and tie it on to the bucket.Set your drag where the bucket will barely pick up.#2 way-Easy way.Buy a fish scale and use it.You need to let drags off fully for storage.peewee-williams
     
  19. howardstern

    howardstern New Member

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    O yeah I guess you could do that. thanks for the answer..
    HS
     
  20. whiskerchaser

    whiskerchaser Member

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    u can haul in any size fish with any size line but u just gotta play them right and tire them out a lot before u reel them in all the way.