Oh yea, I forgot to list that we caught all the flatties and the blue on live goldfish and live creek chubs. My liver recipe, which has been the only thing that has worked all summer, did not even get a bite. Saturday night I went up to Lake Shafer with my girlfriend and her family. We went out after Indiana Beach closed and fished behind the roller coaster where everyone feeds the carp. We used a whole bag of Wheaties catching 10 to 20lbers for hours untill my arms got sore! Catching carp makes you realize just how clean catfish actually are.