Eureka! limb line/jug related

Discussion in 'LOCAL NORTH CAROLINA TALK' started by Bill in SC, Aug 17, 2008.

  1. Bill in SC

    Bill in SC New Member

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    In response to my question last week on why limb liners/juggers catch BIGGER fish, I think I got the solution this weekend. I posted this excerpt in the SC section, but want you folks to see it too. I'm not sure if juggers use line as stout as limb liners, so if I erred on that part, my apologies. BTW: I angled into my new PB Friday night (see new avatar) with a 33# flattie, caught on R&R with 100# Power Pro and a 50# mono leader. My grandson caught his PB, 14# flattie. We caught 103# in a few hours. Here's the transcript from my SC post:

    For years, the enigma of why limb liners and jug guys ROUTINELY catch BIGGER fish, has eluded me. After this weekends happenings at our camp over, I CAN NOW TELL YOU WHY! After gathering reports from all our members this weekend, I have heard of NO LESS than FIFTEEN OR TWENTY snapped leaders and lines! The reason the limb liners CATCH their fish is because they use cord that is more or less small rope! They don't LOSE the fish they hang, from line/leader failure. Now mind you, I have stepped up to 100# Power Pro, with a 50# monofilament leader. Still AIN'T ENOUGH, folks! Can anyone give me any NEGATIVE feedback why we shouldn't be using 150# test or more Power Pro, with at 100# mono leader? I have figured out the problem, now, I hope to hear that my reasoning is correct for the change of strategy. To think I started this year off with 25# monofilament, and called myself a catfisherman! What a chump I was!
    BB in SC
     
  2. mack in n.c.

    mack in n.c. Member

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    that is a big reason.........guess probaly 50 percent why...rest is like someone else mentioned that your boat is not around and you are not reeling your line in all the time.......i use 155 lb braided line on my jugs and limblines.....i can only use max 40 on my reels in my small boats....why/...if i get hung up it will drag my anchor (15 lbs) unless it is caught on something or i have my brushgripper secured to an overhanging limb..... so i have a hard time pulling the hook loose or snapping the line.......my pb is the 46lb blue in my avatar caught in a 15 ft canoe....caught with 30 lb line...got her in in 5 mins or less.....same outfit i have hung fish that i could not do anything with...........
    also i catch bigger fish with rr buts thats probaly becuse where i jug and limbline the non natives are not dominate yet...............mack
     

  3. Bill in SC

    Bill in SC New Member

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    Thanks for the reply, Mack.

    <.rest is like someone else mentioned that your boat is not around and you are not reeling your line in all the time.......

    I was mainly talking about landing the fish you hang, not necessarily for reasons other than line failure. In the VERY HEAVY COVER we fish, I have lost many potential PBs due to leader failure. We don't have the option to set our drags to enable the fish to run. If you give them an inch, they will make the cover and wrap up every time. Many times, I have finessed them free from the snags. More often than not, the 50# leader fails, or the line gets cut on a snag. The masonry type cord the limb liners use would probably never fail, nor do their fish have an opportunity to make it to deep cover and wrap up. I just think if I increase my line and leader test capacity, you are going to start hearing of a very successful Bill in SC. Since I started using the Gamakatsu 8.0 Octopus circles, my hookup ratio is 90&#37; or better. Now, if I can get my landing percentage of LARGE fish up to 80% or better, I'll be a happy camper.
    Bill in SC
     
  4. mudkip

    mudkip New Member

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    have you ever tried an inner tube (bicycle) to act as a shock absorber for your brush sets. The rubber will stretch and protect your line.
     
  5. jtrew

    jtrew New Member

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    It's gonna depend on the situation. I've jugfished in a lake where there wasn't hardly any place to get hung up, used 10# line on my jugs, and only broke my line one time; normally I use 100# test line on my jugs. But I agree that most people use line & tackle geared to what they usually catch, and when a big one comes along, the odds are against them landing it. Now, if you're fishing open water in a boat, you can chase a big cat and eventually wear it out. The only reason you'd lose a big cat is such a situation is having faulty gear or lousy technique. At the other extreme, if you're bank fishing where there's a fast current, or if you're going to have to drag a trophy fish out of a logjam, you better have a telephone pole and cable for tackle. I've seen a Penn 309 spooled with 50# mono get stripped while bank fishing below a powerhouse. It's almost impossible to land an 80+# fish in such a situation, so you better stack all the odds you can in your favor. But for most catfishing, 80#-100# braided line should be plenty stout. Remember, for those really bad spots, you're going to need a rod to match that 130#-200# test line; and you're not going to want to use it at any other time. As far as using a 50# mono with 100# braided, I don't think that's a good match. I definitely use a lighter leader with braided whenever possible, but not that much lighter. Remember, that's going to be your weak link. I use a 50#-60# mono leader with my 80# PowerPro; for 100# braided, I'd move up to 75#-80# mono. All this is just my personal opinion, of course. I'm sure that others have different opinions, and that's OK. Whatever works for them is what they should be using.
     
  6. Bill in SC

    Bill in SC New Member

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    Good post, Jerry. I think my next move is to step up to the 75 or 80# mono leader with my 100# Power Pro line.
    Bill in SC
     
  7. gooboy

    gooboy New Member

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    When I fish started chasing big cats back in the early 90's, I lost several good fish due to breaking my leaders. I do not fish heavy cover on the river I fish. We've got some, but there are plenty of good big fish hangouts to not have to fish the jungles. I know fishing open water is not an option for some anglers on their waterways if they want to hook into a goodun'.

    I have been using #30 pound trilene big game for the last 15 years. I started using this for leader material also. I lost a couple fish on it though, due to wear on the leader. About 10 years ago, I went to 300 pound green braided nylon leader and stayed with the 30 pound big game as my main line. Since switching to the big leader, I have NEVER lost a fish due to a broken leader or broken main line. Since then I have landed 2 over 60, several in the 50's, and a pile of 30's and 40's. These were all caught in swift current in the main river. Entanglements were never an issue. With my drag set correctly, it was just a matter of planting my feet and hanging on for the battle.

    When I swithed to this big leader, I saw absolutely no difference in the amount of bites I was getting. I have totally elliminated my chance of breaking a good fish off due to wear on my leader. I see no reason to be using a mono leader when there are better options available that can withstand the beating a blue or flatheads mouth is going to dish out. I personally can't see an advantage of using mono.
     
  8. BigBird

    BigBird New Member

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    Bill,
    I dont think you are the only river catter that fishes heavy cover with that problem.
    I have been using 50# mono for leader and main line for the PD River brush fishing. I also switched to palomar only knots. I have found that the polamar drastically increased results.
    I would be interested in your and others comments on what they are using for heavy brush and where the breakage is occuring-leader or main and what was the fix?
    Thanks,
    Lindsay
     
  9. Bill in SC

    Bill in SC New Member

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    Good post gooboy. I assure you though that the Trilene Big game mono is NOT an option here in our "jungle" we fish. I fished the 30# Berkeley Big Game line for years and only had problems with it in the snags, which is often in our "jungle". Then when I discovered the braided stuff, I have had few line issues. I am interested in the green braided 300# leader material though. Where can you get it? That being said, one reason I like to have the leader with less test capacity than the main line is because when I get a legitimate hang up, when I break it off, I prefer the leader to break before the line. That way I only lose a hook, and not the weight, and also retain all the expensive Power Pro braided line. BigBird, I do use palomar knots with my braided line, with zero failures at the knot. I snell my hooks to the heavy mono leader and have had zero failures in that area as well. I appreciate all the replies thus far. For some reason or the other, my "thanks" icon has disappeared, so I am unable to thank anyone right now.
    Bill in SC
     
  10. jtrew

    jtrew New Member

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    If you're concerned about abrasion causing your leader to fail, but you want to keep the lower breaking strength to protect your braided line, you might want to consider using braided wire leader. I used to use the plastic coated 7-strand type a lot in saltwater, and really liked it. Now, they also have a more flexible type with more strands and a higher price; haven't seen it, don't know anything about it. A 30' coil of the 7-strand will cost $4-$5, depending on whether you get the black or the silver version. You'll need a crimper and sleeves if you go with the wire leader. Oh, and I definitely don't recommend a solid wire leader; they are just too hard to handle and too bad about kinking, which greatly reduces their strength.
     
  11. cobra

    cobra New Member

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    bunggie cord works better, just take the hooks out of the bunggie cord, run the line through one of the end holes wrap 4 or 5 times then back through the other hole, no need to carry all the tubes with you:wink:


     
  12. WylieCat

    WylieCat Well-Known Member

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    I use 2400 pound titanium aircraft cable. :wink:

    Nothing gets away. Only the best for me. Heck with a challenge and sport. :eek:oooh:

    I hooked a bass boat that was fishing shallow one day and there was a 225hp motor on my limb line! :roll_eyes: