Engine is together BUT...

Discussion in '4X4 Truck Talk and Repairs' started by TOPS, Sep 18, 2009.

  1. TOPS

    TOPS New Member

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    We tried to start the engine today, nothing, when the key switch is placed in the start mode nothing, the elec. fuel pump is working because we let it pump some gas out,was able to get the engine to turn over when we jumped the the starter with a screw driver, the engine did not even hit or try to start, I noticed the ground wire from the body[firewall] of the to the engine was left off, I can not remember if the Mechanic working on it today connected it., will that ground wire make a difference?
     
  2. smokey869

    smokey869 New Member

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    yes all ground wires will make a difference on something, check to see if you have spark and such, also make sure you have the key on if jumping the starter, ive seen people that forget to do this, check your connections at the starter solonoid may be the no crank problem
     

  3. brownie525

    brownie525 New Member

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    its possible, bad ground will do some crazy stuff and drive ya nuts:smile2:
     
  4. Catfish_Scooter

    Catfish_Scooter New Member

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    I'll stand by that one.:wink:
     
  5. blueovalfan

    blueovalfan New Member

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    I am helping Tops work on his truck. I hooked the ground strap up today and still nothing. I also took the starter off and had it checked at Advance auto, everything on it checked out ok.
     
  6. Rohaus

    Rohaus Well-Known Member

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    Have you had the transmission linkage diconnected? It could be a neutral switch.
     
  7. TOPS

    TOPS New Member

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    My buddy connected the ground wire, still the same,Do you all think the Battery may not have enough Amps to engage that starter?
     
  8. 223reload

    223reload New Member

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    If you have a multi tester,check the volts ,Most will show above 12 usually 13-16,If so you should have plenty. I'm thinking along the lines of electrical wire,fuselink or neutral switch.
     
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  9. catnbox69

    catnbox69 New Member

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    what kind of truck are you workin on,year make model engine size auto or standard,i can definetly help,but i gotta know what were lookin at
     
  10. TOPS

    TOPS New Member

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    Jon, this truck is a 1995 F150 XLT 5.0L auto transmission
     
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  11. Sound

    Sound New Member

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    Top I sent you a pm.
     
  12. playin4funami

    playin4funami New Member

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    try putting it in nuetral and then try to start it,if it starts its in the linkage or neutral safty switch.
    It may be in the solinoid itself,if you can cross jump that and get thr starter to work then replace the soliniod.
    Ignition switch may be bad.
     
  13. TOPS

    TOPS New Member

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    Found the starter problem relay bad on the fire wall, now cylinders not getting any gas the plugs are bone dry. Gas getting to the injector rail gas is coming out the scrader valve but none going into the cylinders. I hope all of those injectors are not bad, how do I check them[the injectors]??
     
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  14. playin4funami

    playin4funami New Member

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    I'm not a ford guy unless I have to be but find someone who knows how to use the trucks self diagnostic computer and knows how to read the codes and then find out what the codes indicate,this will tell you the problem,if you had a chevrolet I could help better:smile2: anyway most of the info on how to do it and what the codes mean is online somewhere,you just have to find it,try different ford pickup sites. You can do it without the computer to hook it up right by using a wire to cross specific terminals,but I can't tell you which on a ford.

    also change the fuel filter,and have the fuel pressure tested at the fuel rail,the fuel pump sounds like it might be weak(a major problem in those years) and is not putting out enough pressure to push everything where it needs to go,so my guess is the fuel pump,let us know what you find,we'll try to help as much as possible.
     
  15. playin4funami

    playin4funami New Member

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    Tops here's some engine codes for your truck if you get the diagnostic code fiqured out
    11 orc System PASS
    12 r Cannot control rpm during Self-Test high rpm check
    13 r Cannot control rpm during Self-Test low rpm check
    14 c PIP circuit failure
    15 o EEC processor Read Only Memory (ROM) test failed
    15 c EEC processor Keep Alive Memory (KAM) test failed
    18 r SPOUT circuit open
    18 c Loss of IDM input to processor/SPOUT circuit grounded
    19 o Failure in EEC processor internal voltage
    21 or Engine Cooling Temperature (ECT) sensor out of Self-Test range
    22 orc Manifold Absolute Pressure (MAP) sensor out of Self-Test range
    23 orc Throttle Position (TP) sensor out of Self-Test range
    24 or Air Charge Temperature (ACT) sensor out of Self-Test range
    25 r Knock not sensed during Dynamic Response Test
    29 c Insufficient input from Progammable Speedometer/Odometer Module (PSOM)
    31 orc EVP circuit below minimum voltage
    32 orc EVP voltage below closed limit
    33 rc [COLOR=green !important][COLOR=green !important]EGR [COLOR=green !important]valve[/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR] opening not detected
    34 orc EVP voltage above closed limit
    35 orc EVP circuit above maximum voltage
    41 r HEGO sensor circuit indicates system lean
    41 c No HEGO switching detected
    42 r HEGO sensor circuit indicates system rich
    44 r Thermactor air system inoperative
    45 r Thermactor air upstream during Self-Test
    46 r Thermactor air not bypassed during Self-Test
    51 oc ECT indicated -40øC (-40øF)/circuit open
    52 o Power Steering Pressirue Switch (PSPS) circuit open
    52 r PSPS circuit did not change states
    53 oc TP above maximum voltage
    54 oc ACT indicated -40øC (-40øF)/circuit open
    61 oc ECT indicated 123øC (254øF)/circuit grounded
    63 oc TP circuit below minimum voltage
    64 oc ACT indicated 123øC (254øF)/circuit grounded
    67 o Neutral Drive Switch (NDS) circuit open; A/C ON (Manual)
    72 r Insufficient MAP change during Dynamic Response Test
    73 r Insufficient TP change during Dynamic Response Test
    74 rc Brake On/Off (BOO) circuit openÄnot actuated during Self-Test
    77 r Operator error Dynamic Response Test
    81 o Air Management 2 (AM2) circuit failure
    82 o Air Management 1 (AM1) circuit failure
    84 o EGR Vacuum Regulator (EVR) circuit failure
    85 o Canister Purge (CANP) circuit failure
    87 oc Primary fuel pump circuit failure
    95 oc Fuel Pump circuit open - EEC processor to motor ground
    96 oc Fuel Pump circuit open - battery to EEC processor
    98 r Hard fault present
    111 : System pass
    112 : Intake Air Temp (IAT) sensor circuit low voltage/ 254°F indicated
    113 : Intake Air Temp (IAT) sensor circuit high voltage/ -40°F indicated
    114 : Intake Air Temp (IAT) sensor circuit voltage high or low
    116 : Engine Coolant Temp (ECT) sensor circuit voltage high or low
    117 : Engine Coolant Temp (ECT) sensor circuit low voltage/254°F indicated
    118 : Engine Coolant Temp (ECT) sensor circuit high voltage/ -40°F indicated
    121 : Closed throttle voltage high or low
    122 : Throttle Position (TP) sensor circuit low voltage
    123 : Throttle Position (TP) sensor circuit high voltage
    126 : MAP sensor circuit voltage high or low
    128 : MAP sensor vacuum hose damaged/disconnected
    129 : Insufficient MAP change during dynamic response test KOER
    167 : Insufficient throttle position change during dynamic response test KOER
    171 : Fuel system at adaptive limits
    172 : System indicates lean
    173 : System indicates rich
    179 : Fuel system at lean adaptive limit at part throttle, system rich
    181 : Fuel system at rich adaptive limit at part throttle, system lean
    211 : Profile Ignition Pickup (PIP) circuit failure
    212 : Loss of Ignition Diagnostic Monitor (IDM) input to PCM/SPOUT circuit grounded
    213 : SPOUT circuit open
    312 : Secondary Air Injection (AIR) misdirected during KOER
    313 : Secondary Air Injection (AIR) not bypassed during KOER
    327 : EGR (EVP) circuit low voltage
    328 : EGR (EVP) closed valve voltage lower than expected
    332 : Insufficient EGR flow detected
    334 : EGR (EVP) closed valve voltage higher than expected
    337 : EGR (EVP) circuit high voltage
    411 : Cannot control RPM during KOER low RPM check
    412 : Cannot control RPM during KOER high RPM check
    452 : Insufficient input from Vehicle Speed Sensor (VSS) to PCM
    511 : PCM Read Only Memory (ROM) test failure KOEO
    512 : PCM Keep Alive Memory (KAM) test failure
    513 : PCM internal voltage failure (KOEO)
    522 : Vehicle not in PARK or NEUTRAL during KOEO
    536 : Brake On/Off (BOO) circuit failure/not actuated during KOER
    538 : Insufficient RPM change during KOER dynamic response test
    539 : A/C or Defrost on during KOEO
    542 : Fuel pump circuit open; PCM to motor ground
    543 : Fuel pump circuit open; battery to Powertrain Control Module (PCM)
    552 : Secondary Air Injection Bypass (AIRB) circuit failure KOEO
    553 : Secondary Air Injection Diverter (AIRD) circuit failure KOEO
    556 : Fuel pump relay primary circuit failure
    558 : EGR Vacuum Regulator (EVR) circuit failure
    565 : EVAP Canister Purge circuit failure KOEO
    569 : Auxiliary EVAP Canister Purge circuit failure
    617 : 1-2 shift error
    618 : 2-3 shift error
    619 : 3-4 shift error
    621 : Shift Solenoid 1 (SS1) circuit failure KOEO
    622 : Shift Solenoid 2 (SS2) circuit failure KOEO
    624 : Electronic Pressure Control (EPC) circuit failure
    625 : Electronic Pressure Control (EPC) driver open in PCM
    626 : Coast Clutch Solenoid (CCS) circuit failure KOEO
    628 : Excessive converter clutch slippage
    629 : Torque Converter Clutch (TCC) solenoid circuit failure
    631 : Transmission Control Indicator Lamp (TCIL) circuit failure KOEO
    632 : Transmission Control Switch (TCS) circuit did not change states during KOER
    633 : 4x4L (Low) switch closed during KOEO
    634 : Transmission Range (TR) voltage high or low
    636 : Transmission Fluid Temp (TFT) high or low
    637 : Transmission Fluid Temp (TFT) sensor circuit high voltage/-40°F indicated
    638 : Transmission Fluid Temp (TFT) sensor circuit low voltage/290°F indicated
    654 : Transmission Range (TR) sensor indicating not in PARK during Self -Test
    691 : 4x4 Low Circuit Failure
    998 : Hard fault present FMEM MODE
    hope this helps! it will point you in the right direction if you can find someone who knows how to jump the eec and get the trouble codes,it's to hard for me to explain here.also check to make sure the fuel pump relay is working,it should click when you try to turn the engine on.go here http://www.fordf150.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=71346 for more info on the diagnostic check,they make it hard to understand but it's really not that hard.
     
    Last edited: Sep 21, 2009
  16. TOPS

    TOPS New Member

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    Well, all bad news, All of the fuel injectors are bad! with the set up of the truck betweeen working on it looks as if the injectors got trash in them, got gas to the rail but none shooting into the engine had bunch trash on each injector as we pulled them out, each injector is $55.00 a peace I need 8!!!, Will buy one each payday until I get all 8.
     
  17. playin4funami

    playin4funami New Member

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    might be able to find some from a junked truck of that year that somebody wrecked,check your local parts salvager guys or junkyards,might save you some $$$$$
     
  18. Sound

    Sound New Member

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    Your truck may have two fuel pump relays Top. They should be side by side in the relay box. One is brown and one is green. Not worked on many Ford P/U's but have several Ryder One Way Ford vans. They had the dual relays. Don has ya going on the right track just added that there may be two relays.
     
  19. blueovalfan

    blueovalfan New Member

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    I want to thank Catnbox69 (Jon) for the help. He has answered a lot of questions for us while working on Tops truck.