well boys, I finally found them. almost 8 lbs and one that looked like 12+. Now the discouragin part is that the guy next to me cuaght them. We lost the big one 3 ft from shore as I trided to net it with a 18 inc trout net, damn fish wouldn't fit in it. All I could manage was a few small hybrids on shad, but it was good see someone bring a few nice cattys out.