do you think hook sizes effect longevity of live bait

Discussion in 'LOCAL MISSOURI TALK' started by hook'em, Nov 3, 2009.

  1. hook'em

    hook'em New Member

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    I'm curious as to what you all think about using larger & heavier hooks with live bait and if it affects the liveliness and lifespan of the bait. I just ordered some 14/0 Eagle Claw stainless steel circle sea kirbed hooks and they are quite a bit heavier than I anticipated. I am fine with the size of the hook and the gap distance, what concerns me is the thickness of the shank and the weight. I think it might be too much for 3-5" live bait. I'm considering returning them for some 13/0 mustad circle hooks. The diameter of the shank is much smaller and they shouldn't be near as heavy.

    I also wasn't very pleased with the sharpness of these hooks. I normally touch them up anyway, but out of the box they wouldn't even catch on a fingernail.

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  2. larry again

    larry again Active Member

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    is I think that does matter,In salt water they use a bait needle on attach the bait with fine wire to hook to keep bait more lively.smaller hole in bait should not hert bait so bad and keep it alive longer.
     
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  3. Flootie16

    Flootie16 New Member

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    the bigger the hole the quicker they bleed out. i dont mind when im useing whole shad. cuz they are gonna die shortly anyways and they bleed out more triggering a quicker bite. but yeah the bigger the hook the better the chance of hitting something that will kill the bait quicker. not to mention try this experiment on urself.....take a needle. stab ur self. then take a butcher knife. stab urself. when you get out of the ER tell me which one hurt more and had the better chance of killing you
     
  4. Welder

    Welder New Member

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    Yes hook size has a impact on how a bait acts and how long it lives.
     
  5. hook'em

    hook'em New Member

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    Welder, thanks for the PM. I'll look into those hooks!:wink:

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  6. Catmanblues

    Catmanblues New Member

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    On the smaller baits yes the hook size does matter only if the bait is not properly set.
     
  7. Pip

    Pip New Member

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    To an extent, I think hook size matters, but how and where you hook the bait matters more, I believe. I've used some pretty good sized hooks before and had good results, and I've used smaller hooks and have had dead bait within a 5 or 10 minutes..
     
  8. catter62

    catter62 New Member

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    I've never been real good with science and experiments and stuff. I guess I'll have to leave this experiment to the smarter folks.:eek:oooh:
     
  9. flatheadslayer

    flatheadslayer New Member

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    i think a 14/0 hook is too large for 3 to 5 inche bream.i've had some 14/0eagle claw sea circles an they are thick.it would be 'bout like impelling a broom stick into a small bait.
     
  10. hook'em

    hook'em New Member

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    that is pretty much what I deduced when I open up the box. Even the smaller 12/0 I think are going to be to thick and heavy. I like the gama's, but I'm buying around 100 hooks and I'm not paying retail for them. Everywhere I've checked they want you to buy 1000 or more to get a wholesale discount.

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  11. shaky

    shaky Member

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    In my opinion those hooks are definaty over-kill for 3-5 in live bait, but awsome for say, 1/2 lb carp for giant flatheads. small carp stay alive forever on a hook.
     
  12. BigCatter54

    BigCatter54 New Member

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    Roland,

    Look into the King Kahle hooks, they have a very wide gap, I started using 8/0, they are nice because they have some elements of the octo/cirlce, but you can also set the hooks wen the bite is light. You can these in 8/0, 9/0 and 10/0, i chose the 8/0 becasue the smaller the hook the sharper the point, and 8/0 hooks are big enough to brign in any size cat.

    Catfish connection has these at a pretty reasonable price for boxes of 50.