i have been trying to fish this gravel pit. which is like 50 years old , and once was a pay lake. which means they stocked it . i have cought big carp with great numbers back to back. and have seen millions of bass. ranging in all sizes.the water is crystle clears. not much shallow i dont think . i only fish from bank, and every were i cast is fairly deep i think. only like a 2 foot ledge for shallow , then drops off like a whole. all the way around. and i was told there was northern pike in there. and one day i was fishing alone . and in that 2 foot of shallow bank. i seen a small 3 to 5 inch fish . i had never seen before. i was very quiet and still. and studied the fish. came home and looked it up on line. and i am 100 percent positive it wa a northern. but my question is . i heard gravle pitts dont hold many cats. i have cought 1 like 1 lbs. missed 2 others. but since this place is so old , pluse was stocked . and was not alloud to be fished for like 10 yeaers after the pay lake closed down. would have monsters. but i also thought northern pike was very aggressive. could they have depleted to catfish populations ?? and since that place is very much deeper then the rivers around me in ohio. should i be fishinf the gravel pitt . due to its deep water. since fall fishing is supposed to be great. would my luck better in a deeper area like this. verses a 4 foot deep river ???