Dead bluecats?

Discussion in 'LOCAL INDIANA TALK' started by drpepper, Jun 17, 2008.

  1. drpepper

    drpepper New Member

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    Earlier this spring I had a hatchery deliver 1# to around about 5# bluecats to stock my pond with,, the day after all the rain here in Indiana my 3 acre pond was a hot spot for the kids to catch those bluecats, they went crazy.
    That day they were vigoruos, fat and full of color hitting live baits and lures. one day and two days later after being caught many where floating turtle food... wth?
    Are Blues so delicate that the stress of catching and releasing them one time kills them? This never happen to any of the other species of fish in the pond that was caught that day -or ever. These blues were not gut hooked or mishandled in any way.... any Ideas? It makes me sick~Bill
     
  2. treddinwater

    treddinwater Active Member

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    I'm no specialist Bill, but I've heard blue cats don't do well in small ponds. A friend of the family up in Illinois tried to do the same thing with blue cats in his about 2 acre farm pond and they all ended up floating also. I think they are just more built for open, deep, more aerated waterways.
     

  3. drpepper

    drpepper New Member

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    I'm inclined to agree with you but the ones that were caught were healthy and aggressive when caught and they were all raised in a local hatcheries pond...
     
  4. drpepper

    drpepper New Member

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    also no other blue's died except for the one caught?
    and especially after all that rain (Flood)... that water was SUPER aerated at the time and I know my pond aeration and water qualities are far superior to that of the fish hatchery,,,
     
  5. fishraker

    fishraker New Member

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    drpepper, go over to PondBoss.com and "Ask the Experts." Those guys on that forum can answer just about any question about ponds that you might have.
     
  6. drpepper

    drpepper New Member

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    Thank you, as long as I've had my pond I've never found pondboss. thanks for that info... and I'm honored to be your first post! welcome to the BOC! Bill
     
  7. treddinwater

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    Hmmmm, I don't know what to tell ya. Maybe it was just his time? :embarassed:
     
  8. drpepper

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    no, I believe you may be onto something but it's still strange that the bluescats we're healthy when caught but then died after being released I wonder if this happens to wild bluecats also? who would really know how common that is as they would quickly be eaten by turtles etc. before being noticed. :confused2:
    I'm gonna check that pondboss site though. I'll find the reason for one way or another.
     
  9. HoosierPoleCat

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    drpepper I'm agreeing with some of the others. I believe those bluecats do need a deeper enviroment to strive. Areation might not be the issue on hand. But you should check into pondboss.com like fishraker said. They are helpful on matters like yours. G/L :wink:
     
  10. treddinwater

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    Let us know what you find out, I always have fantasies about owning property/my own ponds someday and stalking them with big catfish :roll_eyes:. I researched flatheads in small ponds once and it said that they don't fair too well in small ponds either for long periods of time. I guess it might not be enough room for them to roam? I know big channel cats do well in small ponds though, so who knows?
     
  11. drpepper

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    see lot's of people say flatheads don't do well but I'm here to tell you they have thrived in my pond and have for many years Most people talking that don't know squat about what they say. they say all kinds of stuff like they'll eat all your pan fish etc... thats not true at all if it's a new pond stock bass gills and crappie at first then wait a couple years and stock the flats... as long as you don't overstock you'll be fine. having my own pond was my dream when I was your age to...:wink: I built it when I was about 25 I guess it was.... I'm an old man now:roll_eyes:
     
  12. whiteriverbigcats

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    A 3 acre pond is more then enough space for bluse... but it will depend on the depth alot of times... a friend of mine has a pond that is a little less then an acre with about 8 blues in it and they have been there for years... they aint going at a crazy rate but the do eat his bluegill and bass.. But i do know that its about 17 to 20ft deep... But the backside has alot of tree cover for shade.. I think something could have washed into the water and adding the stress of being caught they just didnt make it... try treadting the pond the way you would a large fish tank... just to check if there have been any chemicals washed in...
     
  13. drpepper

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    I wondered to If something had washed into it... it was strange and makes me worried but no more floaters to date that I have noticed.
    About a half acre of the pond is about 25' 1/2 acre is 15' and 1/2 acre is 10 and then shallows from 8' to as little as 3' in some places.
    It has supportted walleye very well for years.... you could very well be right, thing is, is... poison or anything would've had to wash in from a long ways off... could've been my closest neigbor up flow of runoff a quarter mile away who treated their lawn this spring???
     
  14. whiteriverbigcats

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    Well you could be surprised with what all this rain could have washed up.... Sure hope you do find out whats causing it.. But it sounds like its not a depth problem...
     
  15. Larry Beever

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    Could it be that the baits that were used
    got contaminated some how? Or maybe something
    that was on somebodys hands that got transferred to the baits?
     
  16. drpepper

    drpepper New Member

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    well now, that never occured to me!!! A very good thought ,, one that I'll investigate right now in fact!
     
  17. whiteriverbigcats

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    I read that myself Bill.. could be something really simple after all...
     
  18. drpepper

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    I think I've bumped into the answer here...
    Blues build-up lactic acid during the struggle of being caught which kills them... so dying blues from being caught are not unique to my lake.... evidently you catch them they die... in a river or big lake you just don't know it because it takes hours afterwards for them to die.

    Anybody that has input on this, PLEASE DO!
    any solutions?
     
  19. tackleholic

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    That might explain why paylakes & some places of the Ohio has no many dead fish laying around. Someone at a paylake in Louisville told me that I couldn't handle their big cats by the gills & something else, (I forgot what). They were their prize tropie fish & said that they normally die just 2 days later. I can understand that we need to be careful with fish, but I don't understand how careless people can be either!!!!!
     
  20. drpepper

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    Well since I made this post I figured it out...
    blues die from a lactic acid build up from the fight of being caught.