Hello, I'm new to the BOC. I haven't read through all the archives and threads yet to see if this question has been answered elsewhere, but... In a recent attempt to catch a flathead, (never have yet), I had two seperate baitfish(5" bullheads) completely mangled! One looked like it had been clamped with a pair of vice grips, absolutely crushed about midway down his body. The other had the skin ripped off his driver's side! Did a flathead do this or just a large channel? I thought flatties were supposed to just engulf the baitfish. They werent cut, just crushed. Therfore I'm ruling out snapping turtle. On the second one, I and my partner, (this was during a neocats tourney) witnessed the float SLAM under the water. Only to emerge instantly never to twitch again. I had the first one hooked through the lips then I hooked the second one through the tail. Any thoughts?