Chum in Indiana

Discussion in 'LOCAL INDIANA TALK' started by Wallbass, Jul 17, 2007.

  1. Wallbass

    Wallbass New Member

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    Hey guys is it legal to chum in Indiana???:confused2:
     
  2. ooks

    ooks New Member

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    Dunkirk IN
    From what i've read in Indiana regs it is illegal to chum. ooks
     

  3. river scum

    river scum New Member

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    yup illegal to chum in indiana.
     
  4. catstalker459

    catstalker459 New Member

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    yes it is illegal but i think u are allowed to in ponds and private property areas.
     
  5. treddinwater

    treddinwater Active Member

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    Oops, I've been chumming for carp my whole life...guess I better rethink doing that.
     
  6. river scum

    river scum New Member

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    lol me too bud,but i think the man mite over look it for trash fish. but you never know eh.
     
  7. treddinwater

    treddinwater Active Member

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    lol yeah...there seems to be no laws for catching carp
     
  8. Larry Beever

    Larry Beever New Member

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    I was at Walmart about a week ago and bought a
    bag of chum. It was grainy and red. Your supposed to cast it over the water of course or make a ball
    out of it and throw them out in the water according to the instructions.It's chumming right? If it was
    illegal here in Indiana would they be selling it?
    It makes me wonder what is defined as chumming....
     
  9. river scum

    river scum New Member

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    chum is anything you toss into the water to attract fish. they sell it because you can use it in private lakes.
     
  10. Wallbass

    Wallbass New Member

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    Hmmmm...I have seen the same the stuff you speak of and wonder if its any good. Jeff:)
     
  11. Larry Beever

    Larry Beever New Member

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    Jeff I bought it because the fishing has been
    so poor for me this July. But it really did'nt
    seem to help. Mabe at another time it could help.
     
  12. bnorth

    bnorth New Member

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    Just out of curiosity guys, where is everyone getting their information? I have searched the regulations book, and the fish and wildlife website, and have found no reference to chumming, legal or illegal. The only thing I have come across is

    "Illegal Devices" "It is illegal to use the following devices to take fish from public waters: a weir, electric current, dynamite or other explosive, a firearm, a crossbow, hands alone, or any substance that may weaken or poison fish. Cast nets may not be used to catch sport fish"

    Anyone else know where I can find the answer?
     
  13. Larry Beever

    Larry Beever New Member

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    Ben, I've been wondering about the same thing
    myself.I have the Recreation and fishing guide
    for this year and during lunch at work today I
    read it from cover to cover looking for any info
    about this and found no reference to it. I Would
    think that it would have been mentioned if it
    was illegal.However The guide dose mention that
    it is general info. Hopefully someone can add light
    to this with good references. Until then I will
    at my own risk chum until I know better.(I guess
    ignorance IS bliss:)
     
  14. charliedog

    charliedog New Member

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    Well here is where I am at in correspondence with the DNR, according to a Captain it is illegal and against a Indiana Code. I believe that the final response will be that they treat it the same as baiting in Hunting but there is no specific law prohibiting chumming (baiting) of fish. I will post their response when I get it.
    Here is the Correspondence to date:(Reverse Chronology)

    Vicky,

    Could you ask what code is applicable to this as IC 14-22-9 Chapter 9, Regulation of Fishing, makes no mention of chum or chumming. Extensive searching of Indiana Code results in no mention of chum or chumming. And finally there is no mention of this in the Fishing Guide for Indiana. The only possible way that I see that it could be construed as a violation of Code is if it was considered an infraction of IC 13-18-4-5, Unlawful discharge of deleterious substances, as determined by the board of the DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL MANAGEMENT.

    Thanks Again,
    Charlie Cox

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Valentine, Vicky
    Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 9:08 AM
    To: Charlie Cox
    Subject: RE: Legal or Illegal to Chum for Catfish?


    It is illegal to chum in the waters of Indiana. This is per one of the
    Captains and Indiana Code.

    -----Original Message-----
    From: DFW
    Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 1:28 PM
    To: Valentine, Vicky
    Subject: FW: Legal or Illegal to Chum for Catfish?


    Vicky -
    When I returned to my computer after talking with you, another question
    came in about chumming...so here it is.
    Thanks!
    Patti

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Charlie Cox (E-Mail address removed)
    Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 1:18 PM
    To: DFW
    Subject: [website inquiry]

    Is it legal or illegal to chum for catfish or any other fish for
    that matter in Indiana. Seems to be a lot of disagreement on this
    among fishermen and I was hoping for a definitive answer.

    Thanks in advance
    Charlie Cox
     
  15. catstalker459

    catstalker459 New Member

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    well its not illegal if it accidentally falls out of your hand and into the water repeatedly lol:wink: but yes anything like that is considered illegal in indiana fines up 500 dollars. my cousin is in DNR and he confirmed it for me
     
  16. charliedog

    charliedog New Member

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    Here is the DNR'S response and my follow up questions:(E-mail addresses removed)

    Captain Portteus,

    I personally would never grind, cut, or mash fish to chum waters as is done in deep sea fishing. I do use cut bait that is legally took for Catfish on Hook. The answer I was more specifically looking for was on commercially sold chum like that which is sold at Walmart, etc. Also the practice of scattering corn or dog food pellets in the water to attract carp and catfish. Now as to the use of of fish as is done in deep sea fishing do I understand correctly that it would be illegal because it would be an intentional mutilation of fish and their return to the water? I am looking for a more definitive answer as to what is allowed and what isn't allowed.

    Respectfully,
    Charlie Cox

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Portteus, Michael []
    Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 5:44 PM
    To: Charlie Cox
    Cc: Valentine, Vicky
    Subject: FW: Legal or Illegal to Chum for Catfish?


    Mr. Cox, it was I who advised Vicky that chumming is illegal, based upon
    IC14-22-9-6 and 312 IAC 9-6-3 (d),

    However after discussing this further with additional members of our
    staff, I believe that chumming IS NOT PROHIBITED, and while it is not
    specifically addressed anywhere in Indiana Law that I can find, there is
    a reference in 312 IAC 9-6-3 (c) stating "(c) The intentional waste or
    destruction of any species of fish taken under this rule is prohibited
    unless the species is required by law to be killed. A person must not
    mutilate and return a fish to the water. This section does not, however,
    apply if a fish is required by law to be released or is lawfully used as
    bait.".

    You can find 312 IAC 9-6-3 in its entirety at:
    http://www.in.gov/legislative/iac/T03120/A00090.PDF?

    You can find IC 14-22-9-6 at:
    http://www.in.gov/legislative/ic/code/title14/ar22/ch9.html

    Please accept my apology for providing inaccurate information to you
    this morning. I scanned the Code looking for the word "Offal" which
    includes animal parts, and found what I thought to be the correct answer
    when Vicky came to me this morning with your question.


    Capt. Michael Portteus
    IDNR Law Enforcement

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Valentine, Vicky
    Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 2:35 PM
    To: Portteus, Michael
    Subject: FW: Legal or Illegal to Chum for Catfish?



    -----Original Message-----
    From: Charlie Cox []
    Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 2:32 PM
    To: Valentine, Vicky
    Subject: RE: Legal or Illegal to Chum for Catfish?


    Vicky,

    Could you ask what code is applicable to this as IC 14-22-9 Chapter 9,
    Regulation of Fishing, makes no mention of chum or chumming. Extensive
    searching of Indiana Code results in no mention of chum or chumming. And
    finally there is no mention of this in the Fishing Guide for Indiana.
    The only possible way that I see that it could be construed as a
    violation of Code is if it was considered an infraction of IC 13-18-4-5,
    Unlawful discharge of deleterious substances, as determined by the board
    of the DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL MANAGEMENT.

    Thanks Again,
    Charlie Cox

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Valentine, Vicky []
    Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 9:08 AM
    To: Charlie Cox
    Subject: RE: Legal or Illegal to Chum for Catfish?


    It is illegal to chum in the waters of Indiana. This is per one of the
    Captains and Indiana Code.

    -----Original Message-----
    From: DFW
    Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 1:28 PM
    To: Valentine, Vicky
    Subject: FW: Legal or Illegal to Chum for Catfish?


    Vicky -
    When I returned to my computer after talking with you, another question
    came in about chumming...so here it is.
    Thanks!
    Patti

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Charlie Cox []
    Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 1:18 PM
    To: DFW
    Subject: [website inquiry]

    Is it legal or illegal to chum for catfish or any other fish for
    that matter in Indiana. Seems to be a lot of disagreement on this
    among fishermen and I was hoping for a definitive answer.

    Thanks in advance
    Charlie Cox
     
  17. baitshop 2

    baitshop 2 New Member

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    sounds like some of yor dnr is like all the goverment officials most of them do or say what they here or think not what is the real written law....very intristing .....
     
  18. bank bouncer

    bank bouncer New Member

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    Last night while I was on the phone with a friend he called DNR on his cellphone so I could hear the conversation. " Yes I would like to know if chumming for catfish is illegal in the state of Indiana. DNR answered " no sir it is not illegal to chum for catfish in the state of Indiana.
     
  19. Wallbass

    Wallbass New Member

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    So it seems that as long as you don't use fish or their body parts then you can Chum with Corn,Wallmart Chum,Dog Food,Ect. Is this what the rest of you get out of this? Im gonna print those words and keep them with me if I so desire to Chum. Thanks Jeff :)
     
  20. Larry Beever

    Larry Beever New Member

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    Well..... I don't know what to think at this point!
    Yes,No,Yes,No, I guess I'll try some research on my
    part. Just hope I get the answer that I want.:)
    I'm going to call the DNR. I tried to call them last
    year when I lost my Fishing License and was looking for a replacement but I could NEVER get an
    answer.I only got a recording that said they were
    very busy and that I should call at another time.
    I'll try again. If that dose not work I'll look into other avenues. I hope we can figure this out.
    But I'll be honest about this... I'm gonna chum.
    I wont take more fish then the legal limit but then again I rarely ever catch the legal limit.So to me
    there's no harm done.