well barbel and i were out at this little pond at black bob park, were supposedly there are hybrid wipers as long as your arm. but i do believe they get that big but i'm not sure about that little pond. but ya so it finally got dark just before the cold front started coming through. we were having alot of bights earlier. so finally i kind of got fed up becuase every time we would go to take the bell off the rod the fish would get off. so i decided to just cast out and hold it there and sure enough a little 10 inch channel cat ate the liver and ya that was that. but then i went to release him and he got me with one of his stingers. but it wasnt that bad becuase he almost more or less sliced across my finger instead of stabbing me.