Baitfish 101 - and slang translations

Discussion in 'Catfishing Baits' started by Fishhead1, Jul 1, 2006.

  1. Fishhead1

    Fishhead1 Member

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    I had this idea after reading another post (http://www.catfish1.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19410) where people were confusing each other with local slang names for various baitfish. Slang names are problematic (for all species baitfish and game fish) because they change from place to place and person to person.

    Seeing as this is a big community of fishermen from all over the country I thought we could shed a bit of light on what in the heck we're talking about. :big_smile:


    FAMILY - CLUPEIDAE - herrings & shads

    Commonly found:

    Gizzard Shad - Dorosoma cepedianum
    live almost anywhere east of the Rockies. Similar to but bigger and more wide ranging than the Threadfin shad. Smaller mouth on a blunt nose.
    http://www.cnr.vt.edu/efish/families/gizzshad.html
    smaller mouth, blunted nose
    http://www.tnfish.org/Photogallery/FishGallery1/pages/GizzardShadFaceDouglasNegus_jpg.htm

    Threadfin shad - Dorosoma petenense
    smaller version of the Gizzard shad. Bigger upturned mouth, brighter yellow on fins, typically 5" or less. Native to southern Miss. River basin, but introduced to Southeast US and Southwest US states.
    http://www.tnfish.org/Photogallery/FishGallery1/pages/ThreadfinShadLoudounNegus_jpg.htm
    bigger upturned mouth
    http://www.tnfish.org/Photogallery/FishGallery1/pages/ThreadfinShadFaceNorrisNegus_jpg.htm


    Skipjack herring - (Alosa chrysochloris)
    lives in the Mississippi River Basin. Big mouth, black/green top half of body, silver/white lower part of body.
    http://www.gen.umn.edu/research/fish/fishes/A_chrysochloris.jpg



    Commonly confused or name misused:

    Alabama shad - Alosa alabamae
    becoming rare. Live in rivers/streams that drain into the Gulf Coast.
    http://www.outdooralabama.com/fishing/freshwater/fish/shad/alabama/http://www.outdooralabama.com/fishing/freshwater/fish/shad/alabama/


    American shad - Alosa sapidissima
    looks much like the Skipjack but lives in ocean and rivers around Chesapeake Bay
    http://www.cnr.vt.edu/efish/families/amshad.html

    Hickory shad - Alosa mediocris
    Lives in ocean but spawns in primarily Northeast rivers and streams.
    http://www.lyndenhuggins.com/Photo%20Album/Fish/Shad/Shad.htm






    FAMILY - HIODONTIDAE - Mooneyes
    The Goldeye and Mooneye are very similar looking. Besides eye color (hint of gold, mostly silver), the goldeye's anal fin is in front (closer to the head) than the dorsal fin. Both are common in the Mississippi River basin.

    Goldeye - Hiodon alosoides
    http://www.gen.umn.edu/research/fish/fishes/goldeye.html

    Mooneye - Hiodon tergisus
    http://www.tnfish.org/Photogallery/FishGallery1/pages/MooneyeWattsBarrNegus_jpg.htm



    Please feel free to offer translations for your local area for these fishes.

    Example, In the St. Louis area these are commonly used:
    shad = gizzard shad (rarely threadfin shad)
    skipjack = skipjack herring
    herring = goldeye/mooneye
     
  2. laidbck111

    laidbck111 New Member

    Thanks for the post there were a few things I had never heard of before I came to the BOC and then I got a little confused with some of the things listed such as a skipjack I had no ieda what that was.
     

  3. teaysvalleyguy

    teaysvalleyguy New Member

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    Great thread brother, will help many members with the confusion. Thanks for posting.
     
  4. EsoxJohnny

    EsoxJohnny New Member

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    Hahaha, thanks for this post. I was getting close myself to posting some of this information. I was tiring of the conversations where this guy was using this for bait and this guy was using that for bait and neither of them realized they were all talking about the same bait.
     
  5. dcaruthers

    dcaruthers New Member

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    Great post...maybe someone could add the myriad of other baitfish and add it to the library.
     
  6. field989

    field989 New Member

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    thanks for sharing



    cleared up my confusion



    thanks
     
  7. catfishjohn

    catfishjohn New Member

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    Great Info,Thanks for sharing!
     
  8. catseeman

    catseeman New Member

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    Yea yea, the confusion makes it interesting.:big_smile: Rep pts to you good job.
     
  9. TA2D

    TA2D New Member

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    Something similar could be done with the many species of sunfish that we have in the US

    Bluegil
    Green Sunfish
    Pumkin Seed
    Rock Bass
    Crappie
    Hybrid Bluegil/Green Sunfish

    and so on

    Aaron

    TA2D
     
  10. mandingo

    mandingo Member

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    good thread Eric.im still wondering what bream are though?ive heard some southerners refer to them as crappie before and i have also heard that they are 2 different species.does anyone know the difference?
     
  11. Fishhead1

    Fishhead1 Member

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    In the US Bream is a generic term for a number of species of freshwater and marine fish. It spans several scientific families of fishes and the fishes really have no relation to each other. The 1 common thing is the term "Bream" is pretty much a catch all for fish that tend to be narrow, deep bodied species.

    In the southern US, this usually means sunfishes, which could include crappie and all the bluegill, green sunfish, pumkinseed, red ear, warmouth, etc etc etc. The sunfish family is a large family of fishes that includes the "black basses", i.e. largemouth, smallmouth, spotted and similar species.

    There is a "bream" species of fishes in Europe, but they are in the Cyprinidae family (i.e. related to minnows, carp, and the like). http://www.anglerstimes.co.uk/fishbream.htm
     
  12. Fishhead1

    Fishhead1 Member

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    Here are some more slang names I've heard.

    flathead catfish = johny cat, mudcat, shovel head cat
    drum = white perch, sheepshead, croaker, Goo
    white bass = white perch, striped bass, striper
    paddlefish = spoonbill, spoon billed catfish
    Bowfin = dogfish, Mudfish, Grinnel/Grennel


    The White perch (http://www.dnr.state.oh.us/wildlife/Fishing/aquanotes-fishid/whteperch.htm) is actually an exotic species to the central US and it is coming down from the Great Lakes, down the Illinois River and is now in the Mississippi River.

    I hear Perch used for damn near everything it seems, so it's a catch all phrase it seems.