Anti-Gun Bills

Discussion in 'Guns - Blackpowder' started by Fishmaster1203, Jan 27, 2009.

  1. Fishmaster1203

    Fishmaster1203 New Member

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    Big Brother's New Target: Tracking Firearms

    Friday, January 23, 2009 ​

    U.S. Representative Bobby Rush (D-Ill.) recently sponsored H.R. 45, also known as "Blair Holt's Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act." The bill is, at its core and as its name implies, a licensing and registration scheme. ​
    The measure calls for all handgun owners to submit to the federal government an application that shall include, among many other things: a photo; an address; a thumbprint; a completed, written firearm safety test; private mental health records; and a fee. And those are only some of the requirements to be licensed!
    The bill would further require the attorney general to establish a database of every handgun sale, transfer, and owner's address in America. Moreover, the bill would make it illegal to own or possess a "qualifying firearm" -- defined as "any handgun; or any semiautomatic firearm that can accept any detachable ammunition feeding device…" [emphasis added] without one of the proposed licenses.
    Additionally, the bill would make it illegal to transfer ownership of a "qualifying firearm" to anyone who is not a licensed gun dealer or collector (with very few exceptions), and would require "qualifying firearm" owners to report all transfers to the attorney general's database. It would also be illegal for a licensed gun owner to fail to record a gun loss or theft within 72 hours, or fail to report a change of address within 60 days. Further, if a minor obtains a firearm and injures someone with it, the owner of the firearm may face a multiple-year jail sentence.
    H.R. 45 is essentially a reintroduction of H.R. 2666, which Rush introduced in 2007. H.R. 2666 contained much of the same language as H.R. 45, and was co-sponsored by several well-known anti-gun legislators--including Barack Obama's chief of staff, Rahm Emanuel. H.R. 45 currently has no co-sponsors.
    Rest assured that NRA-ILA will continue to monitor this bill closely, and will keep you informed of any developments if they materialize.

    To view the complete text of the bill, please click here.
     
  2. Fishmaster1203

    Fishmaster1203 New Member

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    "Micro-stamping" "Encoded Ammunition"/Bullet Serialization

    "Encoded Ammunition" (Bullet and Cartridge Case Serialization) Means:

    * Forfeiture of Currently-Owned Ammunition

    * A Separate Registration for Every Box of New Ammunition

    * Outrageously Expensive Ammunition Costs for Police & Private Citizens Alike

    *A Waste of Taxpayer Money, Better Spent on Traditional Police Programs

    In 2007, the sponsor of "encoded ammunition" legislation in Maryland urged lawmakers across the country to introduce the same kind of legislation in their states. The bill would require ammunition manufacturers to engrave a serial number on "the base of the bullet and the inside of the cartridge casing of each round" of ammunition for popular sporting caliber center-fire rifles, all center-fire pistols, all .22 rimfire rifles and pistols, and all 12 gauge shotguns.

    Reasons to Strenuously Oppose This Legislation:

    People would be required to forfeit all personally-owned non-encoded ammunition. After a certain date, it would be illegal to possess non-encoded ammunition. Gun owners possess hundreds of millions of rounds of ammunition for target shooting, hunting and personal protection. Consider that American manufacturers produce 8 billion rounds each year.

    Reloading (re-using cartridge cases multiple times) would be abolished. There would be no way to correspond serial numbers on cartridge cases, and different sets and quantities of bullets.

    People would be required to separately register every box of "encoded ammunition." This information would be supplied to the police. Most states do not even require registration of guns. Each box of ammunition would have a unique serial number, thus a separate registration.

    Private citizens would have to maintain records, if they sold ammunition to anyone, including family members or friends.

    The cost of ammunition would soar, for police and private citizens alike.

    The Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturing Institute estimates it would take three weeks to produce ammunition currently produced in a single day. For reason of cost, manufacturers would produce only ultra-expensive encoded ammunition, which police would have to buy, just like everyone else.

    A tax of five cents a round would be imposed on private citizens, not only upon initial sale, but every time the ammunition changes hands thereafter.
    Shotgun ammunition cannot be engraved. Shotgun pellets are too small to be individually engraved. Shotgun cartridge cases are made of plastic, which would be difficult to engrave.

    Criminals could beat the system. A large percentage of criminals' ammunition (and guns) is stolen. Criminals could also collect ammunition cases from shooting ranges, and reload them with molten lead bullets made without serial numbers.

    Congress eliminated a similar requirement in the 1980s, because there was no law enforcement benefit. Federal law had required purchasers of handgun ammunition to sign a ledger, but Congress repealed that requirement in 1983 (.22 rimfire) and 1986 (center-fire handguns), because it burdened purchasers, vendors and police, with no law enforcement benefit.
     

  3. AwShucks

    AwShucks New Member

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    It is just asinine as to how politicians know the best way for each of us to live our lives. I hope his constituents put a check mark by his name and throw the rascal out the next time around.
     
  4. jason berry

    jason berry New Member

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    The Patriot Act and now there trying to do this.
     
  5. brinley45cal

    brinley45cal Active Member

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    Heck you havent seen anything yet,this is just the beginning,this is just the opening salvo thanks to the obama supporters.What do you plan to do when they come to get your guns? Or try to make you turn them in and or register them?
     
  6. Paraguayguy

    Paraguayguy New Member

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    I am not worried about jack sh#t. Those 435 nogoodnicks in congress are bought and paid for, every last one of them. The old rule of he who has the gold makes the rules applies as usual. Congress can posture all they want but nothing will happen that campaign contributions didn't pay for. Everyone of those a holes in Washington wants to be re-elected,(must be a heck of a party up there). A sure way to not get elected is threaten our guns. It won't happen.
     
  7. plainsman

    plainsman New Member Supporting Member

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    I'm concerned, because there are more just like em. If these don't get re-elected, someone else will be waiting for their chance. I believe Obama got his job without running against anyone. What if no one wants their job, so no one runs against these clowns?

    There are a lot of gun owners in the usa, but what matters is how the politicians vote. It wouldn't surprise me if they vote it in. It won't reduce crime, but it makes em feel like they are doing something. If they could put their brain in gear they might realize they don't keep people or drugs or any type of contraband out the country, it'll just make more opportunity for criminals.
     
  8. Todd Strong

    Todd Strong Active Member

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  9. Cattn-Jeep

    Cattn-Jeep New Member

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  10. KSCats

    KSCats New Member

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    What guns? I don't have any guns. :wink:
     
  11. john catfish young

    john catfish young New Member

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    I think this country needs another revolution....LOL:confused2:
     
  12. JERMSQUIRM

    JERMSQUIRM New Member

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    funny thing is all that mumbo jumbo does nothing to stop the unregisterd gun weilding criminals. just makes us legal hunters go through a bunch of bull$%it.

    IMHO the us government needs wiped out and replaced. 100%
     
  13. cathooked

    cathooked New Member

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    All i can say is if they come to get mine they will be lookin at the wrong end of it,bet they change their mine after that,the more i think of it, the more i think someone fell and bumped their head.....
     
  14. fishnfwl

    fishnfwl New Member

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    Gun Law Update by Alan Korwin,
    Author Gun Laws of America Jan. 5, 2008

    Gun-ban list proposed

    Slipping below the radar (or under the short-term memory cap), the Democrats
    have already leaked a gun-ban list, even under the Bush administration when
    they knew full well it had no chance of passage (HR 1022, 110th Congress).
    It serves as a framework for the new list the Brady's plan to introduce
    shortly.

    I have an outline of the Brady's current plans and targets of opportunity,
    It's horrific. They're going after the courts, regulatory agencies, firearms
    dealers and statutes in an all out effort to restrict we the people. They've
    made little mention of criminals.

    Now more than ever, attention to the entire Bill of Rights is critical. Gun
    bans will impact our freedoms under search and seizure, due process,
    confiscated property, states' rights, free speech, right to assemble and
    more, in addition to the Second Amendment.

    The Democrats current gun-ban-list proposal (final list will be worse):

    Rifles (or copies or duplicates):

    M1 Carbine, Sturm Ruger Mini-14, AR-15, Bushmaster XM15, Armalite M15,
    AR-10, Thompson 1927, Thompson M1; AK, AKM, AKS, AK-47, AK-74, ARM, MAK90,
    NHM 90, NHM 91, SA 85, SA 93, VEPR; Olympic Arms PCR; AR70, Calico Liberty,
    Dragunov SVD Sniper Rifle or Dragunov SVU, Fabrique National FN/FAL, FN/LAR,

    or FNC, Hi-Point Carbine, HK-91, HK-93, HK-94, HK-PSG-1, Thompson 1927
    Commando, Kel-Tec Sub Rifle; Saiga, SAR-8, SAR-4800, SKS with detachable
    magazine, SLG 95, SLR
    95 or 96, Steyr AU, Tavor, Uzi, Galil and Uzi Sporter, Galil Sporter, or
    Galil Sniper Rifle ( Galatz ).

    Pistols (or copies or duplicates):

    Calico M-110, MAC-10, MAC-11, or MPA3, Olympic Arms OA, TEC-9, TEC-DC9,
    TEC-22 Scorpion, or AB-10, Uzi.

    Shotguns (or copies or duplicates):

    Armscor 30 BG, SPAS 12 or LAW 12, Striker 12, Streetsweeper.

    Catch-all category (for anything missed or new designs):

    A semiautomatic rifle that accepts a detachable magazine and has (i) a
    folding or telescoping stock, (ii) a threaded barrel, (iii) a pistol grip
    (which includes ANYTHING that can serve as a grip, see below), (iv) a
    forward grip; or a barrel shroud.

    Any semiautomatic rifle with a fixed magazine that can accept more than 10
    rounds (except tubular magazine .22 rimfire rifles).

    A semiautomatic pistol that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine,

    and has (i) a second pistol grip, (ii) a threaded barrel, (iii) a barrel
    shroud or (iv) can accept a detachable magazine outside of the pistol grip,
    and (v) a semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine that can accept more
    than 10 rounds.

    A semiautomatic shotgun with (i) a folding or telescoping stock, (ii) a
    pistol grip (see definition below), (iii) the ability to accept a detachable

    magazine or a fixed magazine capacity of more than 5 rounds, and (iv) a
    shotgun with a revolving cylinder.

    Frames or receivers for the above are included, along with conversion kits.

    Attorney General gets carte blanche to ban guns at will:

    Under the proposal, the U.S. Attorney General can add any "semiautomatic
    rifle or shotgun originally designed for military or law enforcement use, or

    a firearm based on the design of such a firearm, that is not particularly
    suitable for sporting purposes, as determined by the Attorney General." Note

    that Obama's pick for this office (Eric Holder, confirmation hearing set for

    Jan. 15) wrote a brief in the Heller case supporting the position that you
    have no right to have a working firearm in your own home.

    In making this determination, the bill says, "there shall be a rebuttable
    presumption that a firearm procured for use by the United States military or

    any federal law enforcement agency is not particularly suitable for sporting

    purposes, and a firearm shall not be determined to be particularly suitable
    for sporting purposes solely because the firearm is suitable for use in a
    sporting event."

    In plain English this means that ANY firearm ever obtained by federal
    officers or the military is not suitable for the public.

    The last part is particularly clever, stating that a firearm doesn't have a
    sporting purpose just because it can be used for sporting purpose -- is that

    devious or what? And of course, "sporting purpose" is a rights infringement
    with no constitutional or historical support whatsoever, invented by
    domestic enemies of the right to keep and bear arms to further their cause
    of disarming the innocent.

    Respectfully submitted, Alan Korwin, Author Gun Laws of America
    http://www.gunlaws.com/gloa.htm