Another heaping load of B.S.

Discussion in 'General Conversation' started by FS Driver, Dec 28, 2006.

  1. FS Driver

    FS Driver New Member

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    remember when gas was near 3 bux a gallon hearing that the president refused to open up our oil reserves ?
    i just heard today that the prices of crude is going up , this time due to low oil reserves?
    how are the reserves low?
    between the dang utility companies and oil industry they are breaking our wallets back.
    the utility company around here is a monopoly , no other competitor
    to use so they are increasing our rates by 50 percent now and maybe as much as 100 - 200 percent is not ruled out.
    if it gets that bad i think they should have a mandatory thermostat installed on all houses to allow 68 degrees max .
    that would help stave off the blatant mis-use of natural gas that i see everyday.
    houses dont need there thermostats on 80 in the winter and occupants
    running around dressed like its summer time.
     
  2. AwShucks

    AwShucks New Member

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    Think regulating the thermostat like that is a communist type control. Be better if people would voluntairly comply - but we know they won't. Heck, they are Americans, they can get what they want... until we run out of the resource.
     

  3. FS Driver

    FS Driver New Member

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    yeah it sounds like communisim , it also seems to be a blatant action repeated every year in household after household with no end in site.
    as long as they are encouraged to run the furnace 24 hours a day
    and the bill will be paid by someone else then they will continue to waste
    resourses at a cost to the rest of the population that pay their own way .
    i look at it as a neccessity to help them help themselves.
    a house that is 80-90 degrees in cold/flu season is not a healthy environment to live in let alone raise your kids in .
    plus this is a slap in the face of those who pay their own bills
    JMO
     
  4. derbycitycatman

    derbycitycatman Well-Known Member

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    What about all those Christmas lights, they got to be using up a lot of electricity too. We got to shut them off, thats gotta be driving up the prices. Though I do agree that it stinks when people waste anything especially when it raises my bills. Like awshucks said it would be a communist or socialist idea. So say someone has a much bigger house than me, they can only heat half their house since we are only allotted a certain amount?
     
  5. BIG GEORGE

    BIG GEORGE New Member

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    Maybe its time for some controls due to a lack of responsability. HMMMM!
     
  6. ka_c4_boom

    ka_c4_boom New Member

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    yeah and instead of buying modular or trailer homes people in my community should pay me to build them houses so as i can save as much gas as possible by not driving 30 or more miles to work

    sorry bout our luck , the trueth is amiricans are free to spend , make and waste more money and resources than any other country on this planet . i may be outed or cussed for saying it but this country God love it is a plague on the planet .

    id be willing to bet we polute this planet more than any other country in the world we are bound to have more factories and foundries and auto's than any other

    guess id better hush before i step on some ones toes , but thats the trueth and we all know it
     
  7. FS Driver

    FS Driver New Member

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    no not neccessarily
    you could heat your whole house at 68 degrees and i ll heat mine at 68 degrees
    if your house is 3,000 sq feet and mine is 1200 sq feet then your bill will be more than mine for sure , but if i set my thermostat at 68 and you set yours at 68 at least we are conserveing energy.
    the senario i see daily is tenents that run there thermostats at 80 and the furnace runs nonstop and they wear tshirts and shorts !!!!!!!!!!
    THERE IS A PROBLEM HERE .
    self governing your utilities is done when you pay the bills yourself
    when someone else does it for you cost is no object.


    back to the oil reserves anyone think there is something wrong here ?
    or is it business as usual (made up crisis to raise prices)
    poet and dont know it LOL

    and what about competition in local utilities?
    is everyone else in the same boat? 1 utility company in charge?
     
  8. ka_c4_boom

    ka_c4_boom New Member

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    yeah darryl same boat , my little town has 2 gas stations and they fight over gas prices .01 difference drive 30 minutes and its .05 less some times even .10 . one lectric one water

    could always go back to all naturel coal oil lamps wood stove eat what you kill or catch that day or keep a ham or two hanging in the smoke house , and plenty of dry goods on hand like grandma and grandpa did not so long ago , do away with modern marvals that we all seem to enjoy oh so well .tv enternet any other the electric go back to livin off what you raise or grow on the farm or in your yard asuming you have room and the law permits it
     
  9. bootshowl

    bootshowl New Member

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    The government "de-regulated" the utility industry to encourage competition and lower consumer prices.....that's gover-speak to let the folks with all the money make even more money. When they were public utilities for serving the community, prices were low, lots of people had jobs and customer service was of foremost concern. Then the entire industry in the cource of 8-10 years went to you don't have to know the business to run the business and it is a business now not a utility....CEO's made millions in the first three years it became a business. Maintenence that had been the gold standard, stopped. Thousands lost their jobs.....and guess who gets to pay for it? Hello.....
    They work in a system of "loss management". What cost more, a family of four; or the cost of having enough trouble techs to prevent the accident.
    Thats the truth. So what comes out of our pockets every month doesn't even enter into their thoughts. We have to pay it. And because the maintenance to the infastructure hasn't been done, we gonna have to pay for that too. It's just starting folks. Part of their structure now is called "Benchmarking". That's basically "how do you guys get away with it? All the companys are intel linked together. Kinda like "hey how much are you guys charging now?
     
  10. derbycitycatman

    derbycitycatman Well-Known Member

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    Id say those tenants would be in for a policy change that they pay their own utilities if I had my way. Unless thats done they are free to do what they want. I get what your saying by them not paying and cranking the heat just because they can. Even with paying their own bills some people still waste resources everywhere driving up the price of that resource and costing me and you more money but not quite the same thing.

    For the other thing id say its the same ol same ol, someone thinks a camel gets a cold and crude oil goes up a dollar. It sucks but thats capitalism.
     
  11. catfishing is fun

    catfishing is fun New Member

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    during the winter at my house, my dad sets the heater at about 62 degreese, and he sais "if your cold go put a coat on" lol, it lowers the bills, and another money saver during the summer we save money, cause we bought something to replace A/C its called windows that open. some of those suburian peole (no offence) should try oue way, itll save the resorces
     
  12. flathead willie

    flathead willie Well-Known Member

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    All this is still related to the worlds biggest problem; overpopulation! Everything is costing more because of the law of supply & demand. There are more people every year demanding their share of what natural and man made resources we have, which depletes the resource. It will only get worse.
     
  13. ka_c4_boom

    ka_c4_boom New Member

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    yeah and with doctors finding cures to every desease the planet comes up with mother earth cant even defend herself
     
  14. dinkbuster1

    dinkbuster1 New Member

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    i say its a "made up crisis"! no doubt some foreign country needs a few more dollars for a highway project or something:angry:
     
  15. Mark J

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    DRC, the reserves were opened at one point to lower prices. I guess now more oil has to be bought to fill our daily needs and refill the reserves.

    If you think our utility and gas prices are high go to England.
    A friend of our family lives there and has been visiting here since a few days before Thanksgiving.
    Their gas is about 9 bucks a gallon just to put in a car. They dont have the big battle wagons roaring up and down the road over there like we do here.
    Their utilities bills are 3 times what ours are here.

    The people over there basicly heat one room in the winter to cut costs or one room and the kitchen. That is the majority of people that do that, not a few.
    Alot of old folks here have always done this.
    We as Americans are spoiled rotten, we're just to stupid to see it much less admit it.
    Nothing wrong with being spoiled until we think we are entitled to something like .98 cent a gallon gas or .88 cent propane or a 30 dollar a month light bill.

    Look at what people pay a month to talk on a cell phone, their kids have cell phones, their wives and they want to whine about gas? Maybe if they got off that phone long enough to wake up and smell the coffee they could figure this thing out.
    I've lived almost my entire life without a cell phone.
    I dont have to have one now, its not a neccesity even though my commute is 140 daily round trip. For me to carry a cell phone, the company I work for will pay the bill.
    It's just not a direction I feel compelled to throw my cash on the ground.

    If rising fuel costs and utilities have got you stymied cut the fat. Its that simple.
    Americans notoriously live by...The more I make the more I spend.
    Cut the fat. If your concerns are over winter survival or having gas to drive, spend less save more. Every one of us has places to cut costs. High speed access is one of them. The internet period is one. Cable TV, that new car, that boat that gets used 3 times a year, the 4 wheeler, etc.
    We aren't entitled to these things. Everyone of them will cost you long after they are paid for and some are never paid for .

    So what if supplying power is a business. It should be.
    The power companies are traded on the New York stock exchange and have been for years.

    I'm not an entitlement fan or of the entitlement mentality.
    If I cant afford the electric heat, I'm finding a used wood stove and breaking out the axe and chainsaw. If I can't afford gas, well I wont be driving.
     
  16. FS Driver

    FS Driver New Member

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    quoted by markjSo what if supplying power is a business. It should be.The power companies are traded on the New York stock exchange and have been for years.I'm not an entitlement fan or of the entitlement mentality.If I cant afford the electric heat, I'm finding a used wood stove and breaking out the axe and chainsaw. If I can't afford gas, well I wont be driving.end of quote ///////// maybe you could explain the neccessaty of PUBLIC utilities being traded on the NYSE or any other exchange for that matter.how does this help the general public?yes i can see where it might help you if you have invested in stock with a utility or oil company.as far as "entitlement" what is this to mean?are we to live as servents of the country with noithing to our names?why are we not entitled to anything?if you were to have your land encroached upon by outsiders would you not feel you were entitled to have your free space without outsiders invadeing upon your peaceful homestead?how about if the government took all your pensions 401k and ss and gave it to another individual less fortunate than you . would you feel "entitled to an explanation ?im not understanding the broad meaning of your use of the word.are the U.S. citizens not entitled to vote?entitlement is a part of our lifestyle anything other than entitlement is a bit like communism isnt it?
     
  17. FishBrew

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    examples of U.S. Entitlement Programs would be - Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, most Veteran Admin programs, military retirement, federal employee retirement, food stamps, agricultural price support programs, unemployment compensation, earned income and child tax credits.
     
  18. Mark J

    Mark J New Member

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    If you are a home builder, why should I be entitled to a discount from you?

    I just want to know why do people think they are entitled to anything beyond what the constitution and the ammendments afford you.

    The last thing I ever want in my life is for the government to dole out to me anything other then all the social security I've been paying all these years.

    I dont want to come home and find a note on my door saying "Mr. Johnson, we cut your power today because you have used your quota for this month. Your service will renew at the first of the month."

    I dont want to pull up to a gas pump and some federal grease monkey tell me "I don't care where you are planning to go, your government gas card has exceeded it's gallons per month.You are SOL buddy."

    If it does happen, it better be WWIII.

    DRC, sure I'd love for gas to be .50 cents a gallon again. Guess what? It aint happening brother.
    It's not the United States government putting out the big bucks to pop holes in the ocean floor in oil exploration or oil wells. It's private industry. Chevron just punched the deepest well through the deepest water ever to uncover potentionally 15 billion gallons of oil in the Gulf of Mexico. Can you imagine what it cost from scientific study, geology, materials, engineering, technology, and manpower?

    Somewhere alot of people lose the translation of the relationship of oil and the government and it's probally in news casts.
    Oil is a world commodity. It's bought and sold by nations and private industry all across the globe.

    Congress isn't buying a tanker ship of oil for me and you to use. Exxon, Shell, etc.etc. sells directly to me and you. The only attachment to that transaction our government has is the federal taxes paid on it at the pump and that I get a gallon ,no more no less for the amount I pay for a gallon.
    If you feel compelled to blame the government for fuel prices include your state government too. They lay claim to part of your purchase at the pump too.
    What fuels all the military vehicles, planes, and boats the government owns?
    Oil does. They buy it from the same folks we do. It goes through the same terminals the gas we buy does. They are steadily hauling jet fuel night and day out of the Selma oil terminal, the same terminal the fuel I use goes through.

    Now you tell me on what grounds I have to complain , whine, or demand of our government to make you sell your house to me at my price. I dont care how much it cost you in materials or how much it cost you to fill in the swamp it was built on or how much that lake cost you . I dont care how much the skilsaw cost you or the labor to build it either. I dont care if the rising cost of steel doubled the your cost on nails. I just say your price is too high and I want the government to step in and demand you take a loss or make minimal profit for your efforts so I can have what I am entitled to at my price.

    There is a gross misunderstanding of capitalism here, little knowledge of oil reserves and what they actually are, and the lack of appreciation for how lucky we are as a nation and people have been for years.

    I like my freedom and the lack of government control over my day to day life just fine even if I have to pay for that freedom by spending more at the pump or having to sharpen a chain saw blade for the next cord of firewood.
     
  19. FS Driver

    FS Driver New Member

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    where you lose me on this is all the tax breaks the government gave oil companies and still do and you say they are seperate in their idtity but yet they are in thick with the regulations the taxation the land they use or want to use its a big business that is in up to its ears in government one way or another.you have used this same response before about likening the oil company to me or you in a business scenario and it isnt even close to comparable.how can a comodity like oil that is traded on the world level be comparable to a home builder?and if the united states isnt involved with the oil industry then why are ther government oil reserves?why are you hearing about the united states exporting and importing oil and not exxon or phillips?the united states is buying and selling oil?just like china and other countries.why does hugo chavez say he wants to bring america to their knees through oil?your statement doesnt quite add up something is missing you failed to explain your take on electrical companies or utilities companies and their role on the market .
     
  20. Mark J

    Mark J New Member

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    We'll deplete Chavez by depleting his oil not ours.
    All the oil under our soil is part of our reserves even though its not in possession of the the government.
    Yes they do control how much you can pump out of your oil well in the backyard.
    The goal here is to be the last nation with substantial oil.
    If we depleted out resources we are dependent on other countries for theirs.

    Nuclear power plants is what you should be screaming for. It's clean efficient power. Get rid of the coal burning fuel burning power plants.

    I'm very supportive of capitalism.
    My power supplier is Progress Energy. It's a business in the business of making money. They aren't government owned. They aren't in the business to supply power at cost. They have stockholders. Stockholders want to make money. Without stockholder money I'm without power.
    I'm not saying my light bill couldn't be cheaper. It can through them operating more efficiently and spending dollars wisely.
    A power company has to supply me power if I request it. Power companies are not without federal and state regulations.
    On the other hand a cable company also privately owned wont come near me because the housing saturation isn't high enough. I dont like it one bit but they are a business in business to make money but that doesnt mean I dont have options. I continaully pit the phone company against the cable company. I tell the phone company that if the cable company beats them here with highspeed I'll take the tractor and remove their lines from my property. They can pick it up at the road and I'll be through with them FOREVER.

    You have elected politicians representing you from clerk of court to US senators. Use them! Make them work. I give em hell. Instead of posting this thread on the BOC it would have been sent to all my representatives.
    It aint worth five cents to gripe to a bunch of catfishermen that are in the same boat. Take charge and take it to the hill. At some point in all legislation somebody has to take the reigns. Ever seen the farmers descend on Washington driving tractors? It works. They have half the politicians back peddling.
    The politicians representing me probally think I am a spammer.:big_smile:
    I'll fire one off in a heartbeat not only to complain but to praise or offer support.
    Become proactive not reactive.

    We live in a great nation where the only food line we stand in is at McDonalds or the grocery store. I can buy a gallon of gas for the lawnmower or 19,200 gallons of diesel to fill my 185 foot yacht up for a transatlantic crossing.
    I can own a power company if I so desire or start a blanket corporation like Chevron. I can literally buy a whole town piece by piece as it comes up for sale and rent it back to the citizens and the government.
    I can buy a 3 meg generator with 30,000 gallons of diesel in the ground underneath it to power my house with and sell the rest back to the power company as a substantial income.
    The only thing stopping me in this nation is ME. I want it to stay that way too. The more the government puts its grubby hands into business the less our freedoms will be.
    If the government controlled all the power companies and all the fuels sold in this country they would have to build another Pentagon to house its ineffecient government machine that could care less if I had gas or power and you can bet your life it would be at a cost 3 times more then what you pay now. We all know how the government wastes money.