Alligator, alligator gar, or poacher?

Discussion in 'All Catfishing' started by BigOBear, Oct 13, 2008.

  1. BigOBear

    BigOBear New Member

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    Can't tell much by the pic but here's the story. I've had a few 9/0 J hooks opened out about 45 degrees or so. There's plenty of gators in the lake. A local game warden told me he's seen 6 and 7 foot alligator gar come out of there too. So, I replaced some of my old 9/0's with gamakatsu 10/0 circles and dared the monster to straighten it out. Put out half a dozen lines or so with hand size bream and backed off to rod n reel fish a while. Headed in around 2 in the morning and came out a little late when the sun came up. Two bass fishing boats easing along the bank flipping baits. This was the end of one of my limb lines. Used to be a $3 gamakatsu hanging there. I figure it was the gator or gator gar... have a hard time believing someone would take my hook even if there was a big ole fish jerking it around.

    http://picasaweb.google.com/BigOBear/BrokeLine?authkey=-Y05szrxIuc#5256761223225974594

    What say you?
     
  2. Bill in SC

    Bill in SC New Member

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    Well it was surely broken, and not cut. An enigma, I say! :wink:
    Bill in SC
     

  3. bigcatmaniac

    bigcatmaniac New Member

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    Like bill said, it was definetly broken and not cut, the fact that the line is frayed that much is a dead give away. I would venture to guess that either its a gator, gator gar, or you got some MONSTER cats in there. :smile2::smile2:
     
  4. poisonpits

    poisonpits Well-Known Member Supporting Member

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    gators have round teeth with no sharp edges so im going to guess gar or big flathead.
     
  5. catoon

    catoon Board Clown!

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    looks like gator work to me
     
  6. catdaddy007

    catdaddy007 Member

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    The way the line is frayed and fuzzed out I believe it was broken. It could have been a big gar, but I honestly think it was a gator. I have seen documentaries on gators and they jerk,snatch,and roll their prey.
     
  7. psychomekanik

    psychomekanik New Member

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    I'm agreeing with those that said gator. I'd try a really solid setup with some steel line for leader. Maybe you can catch it and see what it is. Whatever it is it's used to coming there for food and will probably keep coming back. (until it's mouth fills up with expensive hooks) I have a question about your lines though. from the pic it looks like the lead is molded around the nylon. How did you accomplish that?
     
  8. boswifedeb

    boswifedeb USCA Jailhouse Lawyer

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    I have no idea what did that but I sure hope it doesn't find its way to Tennessee!!!:eek:oooh::wink::smile2:
     
  9. takeaction

    takeaction New Member

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    Jimmy,

    I took some nylon rope we have and made three cuts. First with scissors that are very much used, then with a very sharp knife, then with a razor blade. The pictures are below in that order. I only did this because I wanted to see it for myself, but the results have me wondering. The knife and razor blade both cut very straight, but the scissors looks almost identical to your picture, they even flare out to the side like yours, minus the tiny hairs sticking out. These are brand new cuts, as I took the pictures immediately after cutting.

    Again, this was only for "MY" curiosity, as I wanted to see the different cuts myself.
     

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  10. rivercatsc

    rivercatsc New Member

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    Deffitnatly a gator they love to check those limb lines.:smile2:
     
  11. shifty

    shifty New Member

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    i say an angry catfish hirin a gar to do his dirty work lol :smile2:
     
  12. BigOBear

    BigOBear New Member

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    Thanks a ton for the responses.

    It's still those same ones I made with the 3/4 inch nipples. That's one of the uglier ones with one end boogered up. I put the boogered up end towards the top so it wasn't bumping against the knot holding the weight.
     
  13. thecatman

    thecatman New Member

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    i dont know what that could have been had the same thing happen to me up north of you before in a spot i know no one else fished so maybe a big flathead got it or it may have had a bad spot on that part of the line guess we will never know though
     
  14. jsharper

    jsharper New Member

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    Interesting, I guess we will never know, might have been a bass fisherman trying to get his lure and finally just cut the line. I have had fish stolen off jugs with the hooks cut off. Sometimes thieves have to hurry.

    Jim
     
  15. psychobilly

    psychobilly New Member

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    No tell'n, but prolly some one pissed off, but I'm defiantly don't think it was a gator. Ya see when you go out to hunt gators you use a line and a hook. Once he swallers the bait he will sit there and wait as he will not pull his stomach out. When you pull up and see he has taken the hanging bait you left you CAREFULLY grab the line and pull him to you and shoot him between the eyes with a small cal pistol.

    It could have been anything, but prolly a rod and reel fisherman. Nothing against them, different strokes fer different folks, but I have had them cut my lines before.... Not sure why someone that enjoys fishing would do this to another fisherman...... Don't make no since......:confused2:
     
  16. kscathunter

    kscathunter New Member

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    id say whatever it was switch to r&r and that should solve your problem:tounge_out::big_smile: fish teathered to a rope makes for easy pickings :wink:
     
  17. BigOBear

    BigOBear New Member

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    Thanks again for all the responses. Been giving it some more thought.

    I'm kinda leaning toward a fish/animal for a few logical reasons. First one (not so logical) is I'm naive I guess and think that just because I have a hard time even imagining bothering someone else's sets I can't imagine someone else bothering mine. Another reason is that if I was an ornery type and was going to cut a line to be mean I wouldn't pull it up and cut it just above the hook. And the third, if I was the thieving type and pulled a limb line in with a fish 8 to 10 inches below a beautiful 1/2 lb of home poured lead, I wouldn't cut below the weight... I'd cut above it.

    Once again... thanks for the responses :big_smile:
     
  18. thecatman

    thecatman New Member

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    good point on the lead you would think that if it was a person with any sense at all they would take the lead i personally still think it was a either a big cat or just a bad spot on the line
     
  19. raybait1

    raybait1 New Member

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    When yoyoing in La. coons would take our hooks to the tree tops. Maybe something similar happened. If it got snagged on the hook while eating your bait he could have chewed through the line.