A question on Ethics......

Discussion in 'Deer Hunting' started by Cathooker, Nov 13, 2006.

  1. Cathooker

    Cathooker New Member

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    What would you do in this situation? Be truthful.... Here is the scenario.......
    You have been planning all year for an out of state hunt in an area of Ky that regularly produces BIG bucks. This particular county has recently produced Boone and Crockett books bucks in both the typical and non typical catergories. You are hunting a farm that is in the heart of this big buck area. You only have ONE buck tag. You have spent a lot of time and money in preparation and the modern firearms opening morning is finally here. At 7:30 a.m. a real nice 9 point, big bodied buck comes walking in. He is not the buck that you dreamed of and since it is opening morning you are going to let him walk. THEN he steps out in the clear at only 23 yards and you see very plainly that he is wounded with a softball size of his intestines hangin out of this wound. He is not bleeding but you know that he is going to die a slow death and never be recovered by the one who shot him. Do you use your only buck tag on this buck or do you let him walk in hopes that he will wander by someone who is not trophy hunting?

    This is a true happening that I was confronted with just this past Saturday.
    I did not hesitate. I killed the buck, used my tag, and am happy that I did so. I am not happy with hunters who take unethical shots at game. With God willing there will be other chances to get my personal best.
     
  2. dougc

    dougc Active Member

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    You definitely did the right thing. We need more hunters out there like you!
     

  3. Cathooker

    Cathooker New Member

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    This is the buck I was talking about....
     

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  4. slimepig

    slimepig New Member

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    hmmm, i dunno if i would have wasted my tag on him. Not that he isnt a good buck, but by your description, sounds like some idiot gut shot him, so not only would he not be the buck i was lookin for, but its a good possibility some of the meat would be no good. now puttin him out of his misery probably is a given and ethical, but wasting a tag on him when i didnt shoot him is something i wouldnt do, illegal or not. who knows, someone that did gut shoot him might be tracking him.
     
  5. jlingle

    jlingle New Member

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    You did the right thing, to the letter. What would I have done? I don't know...... I hope I'd do the same thing you did.
     
  6. pk_powell

    pk_powell New Member

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    ! applaud you for your actions. If nothing else you have to know the animal was in pain and would have suffered a terrible death. Yes Sir You definitely did the right thing!:smile2:
     
  7. ka_c4_boom

    ka_c4_boom New Member

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    i would have shot him , hes a good looking deer , why not . if he had been a scrub id a had to let him pass .
     
  8. CatfishHateMe

    CatfishHateMe New Member

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    charles is right thats a good looking buck no matter what. even if hes in an area where theres alot of record bucks. did you happen to get a a pic of the wound? just wondering cuz that part kindda peaks my interest. ive seen had to shoot a buck one time cuz i thought it was a bad shot but it turned out that it was from a fight, another buck had aparently got around to his side in a fight and there was a broken off tine in the bucks side surrounded by a big open wound.
     
  9. catgetter1

    catgetter1 New Member

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    You can be proud of yourself, cause you know you did the right thing. It's a nick buck that anyone would be proud of also. If you made the hunt to that area once you will be blessed with another hunt there, Yes you did the right thing........ I would have done the same and Bragged about it.....
     
  10. Cathooker

    Cathooker New Member

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    I did not get a pic of the wound but I know that it was a gunshot wound.....small entrance hole and large exit hole too far apart for a antler tine wound.

    If he had of been a scrub I would have done exactly as I did. It just happpend to be a nice buck.

    I made my original post on this subject because we as hunters are under the microscope from the Animal rights nuts....we need to be ethical hunters and fishermen/women. We need to present a good image to the part of society that does not hunt or fish. The more negative things the ARA has to present against us the stronger their case against hunting and fishing becomes. We can no longer afford to believe that they cannot take away our right to hunt or fish. They can and they will if we do not remain diligent.
     
  11. bootshowl

    bootshowl New Member

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    When something bad happens all you have at the end of the day when you lay your head on the pillow, is that you did the right thing. Saturday night there should have been a Ky. hunter having a hard time getting to sleep....
     
  12. richard dunbar

    richard dunbar New Member

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    Absolutly you did the right thing, and i would've too. There was no way the buck was going to live, so rock on brother and be proud of the choice you made
     
  13. Fishnhuntforever

    Fishnhuntforever New Member

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    Definatley a good looking buck. You did the right thing! I have never found a way to make the horns taste any good anyway. My only question would be did you try and find anyone tracking the deer? They may have been searching for it. My son and I lost a big buck this year and not because we did not search as I looked for a day and a half for the animal. The game warden said I had done my duty and to select another buck. I thought we had a good shot on him but he dissapeared in thick tules taller than me never to be found. I called a friend to come help me search and we looked for a day and a half. There was a deer taken about 3/4 of a mile away that may have been the deer we were looking for. The guy that shot it had talked to someone that we ran into while searching. It was a big buck for our state and the first deer my son had ever shot. It would have been an 8 point buck anywhere else and had a big body on him. I guess the guy shot him the same day we had been looking for our deer. He shot him in an area we had searched but apparently had removed him before we had looked in that area. He had told the man he had been shot by someone else and would have died soon anyway. The deer my son shot was hit pretty good due to the blood trail. You could see he was hit near the front shoulder as he got up and went away from us. We had shot him at pretty close range with a slug but being so close to him he felt alot of pressure and got up, he wasn't doing well so I told my son to let him go and we would find him. I will never know if the deer shot a short distance from us was my sons deer but I can't help but beleive it was. The area he traveled through was so thick we lost his trail and tracking was next to impossible so we started searching with the grid technique. I could sleep better at night knowing for sure what happened. In our case I can't help but feel that we would have found that buck if someone else wouldn't have shot it and claimed it for their own. I know your case is different because it is a gut shot but I also beleive if we shoot something that has been freshly wounded we should look for the person that wounded it. Had the person in our case done so my son would not have had his first deer taken from him. The area we hunted was a wildlife refuge that you have to be drawn for so it would not have been that difficult to make an attempt. The warden that lived at the refuge beleived that it was probably our deer that the other man shot and claimed but there is no real proof. Sorry so long winded just a thought and this touched close to home for me. Thanks for bringing it up. We all need to do the right thing and it sounds like you did.
     
  14. buzzgator

    buzzgator New Member

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    Did the same thing up here in Wi 2 years ago except he was a spike and had left front shoulder blown off. I watched him come out of a woodlot after hearing 2 shots he laid down in the feild I was in I waited on the shooter NOT A HUNTER to come tracking him but 3 hours later and getting dark he still hadnt shown up!!! I was HOT!!! I got out of my hay bale and walked over to him he jumped up and I dropped him. I honestly thought he had died or I would have ended his suffering earlier... The only way I could figure this buck was shot running away the way the bullet entered behind front shoulder and exited his neck.. Not a very ethical shot if ya ask me...
     
  15. smoke

    smoke New Member

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    i myself would have done the same thing...there is not enough hunters around like you but would be nice if there was more...would not matter what the size of the deer it need to be finished off....thanks for shareing and hope it will make some people think twice about a bad shot
     
  16. thegavel

    thegavel New Member

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    Cathooker,
    I think you signature says it all, " Honor is not won... Honor is purchased by the deed we do......." You have earned my respect, admiration and you are truly a better person for doing this.

    You may not have gotten your trophy, but sometimes doing the right thing isn't always what you want. Part of life I guess...

    Nice work bud!
     
  17. TA2D

    TA2D New Member

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    I would have done the same thing brother! With that being said, I would have tried to get in touch with a game warden and see what could be done in this situation. Either way you look at it you got a nice buck, it may not have been the "ONE" but there will be other chances!

    Aaron

    TA2D
     
  18. bigcatmaniac

    bigcatmaniac New Member

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    You did the right thing, he is a nice deer. I believe that if i was put in that situation i would have done the same thing you did.
     
  19. Cherokee

    Cherokee New Member

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    Great job would of took that buck anyday of the week
     
  20. CatfishHateMe

    CatfishHateMe New Member

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    if the rule there is the same as here then its whoever shot the deer and dropped it and it was dead, then its that persons deer. which in my opinion is one of those things where you should try and look for the person who was tracking the animal and say "hey this is your deer, your son shot it. i have been hunting my entire life its his buck." but i guess some people dont think the way we all do here. i kno i remember my first deer and it was a time ill never foregt, just sucks that your son couldnt experiance the same thing due to some stupid incident.