A license will be required to sell your home?

Discussion in 'General Conversation' started by olefin, Nov 20, 2009.

  1. olefin

    olefin New Member

    Messages:
    3,908
    State:
    Texas
    Thinking about selling your house - A look at H.R. 2454 (Cap and trade bill)

    Home owners take note & tell your friends and relatives who are home owners!

    Beginning 1 year after enactment of the Cap and Trade Act, you won't be able to sell your home unless you retrofit it to comply with the energy and water efficiency standards of this Act. H.R. 2454, the "Cap & Trade" bill passed by the House of Representatives, if also passed by the Senate, will be the largest tax increase any of us has ever experienced. The Congressional Budget Office (supposedly non-partisan) estimates that in just a few years the average cost to every family of four will be $6,800 per year. No one is excluded. However, once the lower classes feel the pinch in their wallets, you can be sure these voters get a tax refund (even if they pay no taxes at all) to offset this new cost. Thus, you Mr. and Mrs. Middle Class America will have to pay even more since additional tax dollars will be needed to bail out everyone else.


    But wait. This awful bill (that no one in Congress has actually read) has many more surprises in it. Probably the worst one is this: A year from now you won't be able to sell your house. Yes, you read that right. The caveat is (there always is a caveat) that if you have enough money to make required major upgrades to your home, then you can sell it. But, if not, then forget it. Even pre-fabricated homes ("mobile homes") are included. In effect, this bill prevents you from selling your home without the permission of the EPA administrator. To get this permission, you will have to have the energy efficiency of your home measured. Then the government will tell you what your new energy efficiency requirement is and you will be forced to make modifications to your home under the retrofit provisions of this Act to comply with the new energy and water efficiency requirements. Then you will have to get your home measured again and get a license (called a "label" in the Act) that must be posted on your property to show what your efficiency rating is; sort of like the Energy Star efficiency rating label on your refrigerator or air conditioner. If you don't get a high enough rating, you can't sell. And, the EPA administrator is authorized to raise the standards every year, even above the automatic energy efficiency increases built into the Act.


    The EPA administrator, appointed by the President, will run the Cap & Trade program (AKA the "American Clean Energy and Security Act of 2009") and is authorized to make any future changes to the regulations and standards he alone determines to be in the government's best interest. Requirements are set low initial y so the bill will pass Congress; then the Administrator can set much tougher new standards every year. The Act itself contains annual required increases in energy efficiency for private and commercial residences and buildings.


    However, the EPA administrator can set higher standards at any time.

    Sect. 202:

    Building Retrofit Program mandates a national retrofit program to increase the energy efficiency of all existing homes across America . Beginning 1 year after enactment of the Act, you won't be able to sell your home unless you retrofit it to comply with the energy and water efficiency standards of this Act. You had better sell soon, because the standards will be raised each year and will be really hard (i.e., ex$pen$ive) to meet in a few years. Oh, goody! The Act allows the government to give you a grant of several thousand dollars to comply with the retrofit program requirements if you meet certain energy efficiency levels. But, wait, the State can set additional requirements on who qualifies to receive the grants.


    You should expect requirements such as "can't have an income of more than $50K per year", "home selling price can't be more than $125K", or anything else to target the upper middle class (and that's YOU) and prevent them from qualifying for the grants. Most of us won't get a dime and will have to pay the entire cost of the retrofit out of our own pockets. More transfer of wealth, more "change you can believe in."


    Sect. 204:

    Building Energy Performance Labeling Program establishes a labeling program that for each individual residence will identify the achieved energy efficiency performance for "at least 90 percent of the residential market within 5 years after the date of the enactment of this Act." This means that within 5 years 90% of all residential homes in the U.S. must be measured and labeled. The EPA administrator will get $50M each year to enforce the labeling program. The Secretary of the Department of Energy will get an additional $20M each year to help enforce the labeling program. Some of this money will, of course, be spent on coming up with tougher standards each year.


    Oh, the label will be like a license for your car. You will be required to post the label in a conspicuous location in your home and will not be allowed to sell your home without having this label. And, just like your car license, you will probably be required to get a new label every so often - maybe every year. But, the government estimates the cost of measuring the energy efficiency of your home should only cost about $200 each time. Remember what they said about the auto smog inspections when they first started: that in California it would only cost $15. That was when the program started. Now the cost is about $50 for the inspection and certificate; a 333% increase. Expect the same from the home labeling program.


    Sect. 304:

    Greater Energy Efficiency in Building Codes establishes new energy efficiency guidelines for the National Building Code and mandates at 304(d), Application of National Code to State and Local Jurisdictions, that 1 year after enactment of this Act, all state and local jurisdictions must adopt the National Building Code energy efficiency provisions or must obtain a certification from the federal government that their state and/or local codes have been brought into full compliance with the National Building Code energy efficiency standards.



    H.R. 2454: American Clean Energy and Security Act of 2009 http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-2454

     
  2. SkipEye

    SkipEye Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    7,525
    State:
    Winfield, MO
    Name:
    Darryl
    Hope there are plenty of 'ticked off voters' in 2012!!!!

    I've seen enough already........
     

  3. 223reload

    223reload New Member

    Messages:
    10,798
    State:
    Oklahoma
    Time to call BULL SH!^:angry:
     
  4. Welder

    Welder New Member

    Messages:
    4,834
    State:
    Missouri
    whers the beef!!!!! and do ya want fries with that??? coming to a gov near you
     
  5. cavereric

    cavereric New Member

    Messages:
    96
    State:
    Austin,Texas
    well it's good news if your a home energy auditor and bad news if your a home seller. What will likely happen instead of the sky falling is that you will need to get an energy inspection and disclose it during the sale they already doing this in Austin Tx. The city council tried to pass a ordnance that you had to make your house energy efficient but they modified it when all the city council realized that there jobs where in jeopardy and the town folk were getting ready to march on city hall with pitch forks and torches.
     
  6. centexcop

    centexcop Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    3,071
    State:
    Texas
    That's the biggest pile of Dog Crap that I've ever seen. Once things like this are done, it's much harder to undo them. I'm glad that I'm not in the majority of the voters that, at one time, agreed with the current administration.

    I can honestly say that I had no part in getting these folks elected. I'm proud of it too!
     
  7. corklabus

    corklabus New Member

    Messages:
    359
    State:
    West Virginia
    And the very next step is the bodily implanted identity microchip.
    No food or sex or healthcare oor housing without it.
     
  8. oh no

    oh no New Member

    Messages:
    11,108
    State:
    Indiana
    Will this be like my wifes car key,,,it has a chip, with out it her car won't start,,,,,,if I don't have a chip, I won't be able to access my wife,,,,:smile2:
     
  9. postbeetle

    postbeetle New Member

    Messages:
    6,598
    State:
    Iowa
    We get what we allow or ignore. Look what we got now. Somebody got their heads buried up to their rear end. Won't stop unfortunately until the ones who write this crap are gone. Somebody voted this bunch in and we got what we allow or ignore.

    Gonna turn on the TV and watch some stupid show and forget about it. You guys take care of it, let me know when ya get it changed won't ya?
     
  10. DANZIG

    DANZIG New Member

    Messages:
    6,672
    State:
    West Virginia
    LOL!! More republican fear mongering?

    Dollar to a doughnut says this will apply to new construction.
     
  11. Dano

    Dano New Member

    Messages:
    13,712
    State:
    Texas
    Well I aint going to get into it in here but this didn’t happen over night.
    Eric mention Austin Texas has tried it. I aint getting into some of the things costing me more in past several years in Texas.
    The property. My Values have tripled in past 3 years and that is when the market fall out but Values went up like a rocket. Look it up.
    The property tax break on school tax is one thing that sit it off.
    The selling part with a permit. We have permits for everything. Nothing new. I just wish if they said my house isn’t up to date to sale, then my property tax’s should drop. If I cant sale it, it aint worth nothing. Dang sure aint worth what tax office say its worth. They have even valued my home more than my ins. co has.

    We’ve had a mess going on for several years and it contuines.
    Vote them all out each time an election comes up.
     
  12. poisonpits

    poisonpits Well-Known Member Supporting Member

    Messages:
    9,788
    State:
    arkansas
    Name:
    johnnie
    hiss moan and grown next election will be the same.my granddady voted this party my daddy voted this party and by golly im voting this party.on and on it goes where it lands only china knows.
     
  13. Catgirl

    Catgirl New Member

    Messages:
    13,546
    Well Johnnie, what do ya do if you've had one grandaddy vote one way, and one the other? You have to DECIDE don't you? I loved BOTH of them and respected their opinions, even though I was a little kid when they both died (9 and 12). So I try to do the SAME here.
     
  14. Kutter

    Kutter New Member

    Messages:
    5,379
    State:
    Arnold, MO
    Y'all saying that now before I vote, I gotta "think"?:eek:oooh::wink:

    Next, you'll want the politicians to start thinking.:wink:
     
  15. Boomer

    Boomer New Member

    Messages:
    1,037
    State:
    Oklahoma
    LOL, the insurance companies should be yelling at the top of their lungs right now.....why? I can see a lot of houses going up in flames.....

    More than one way to skin a cat...lol...
     
  16. Boomer

    Boomer New Member

    Messages:
    1,037
    State:
    Oklahoma

    Not me...lol, it has been about 20 years since I have voted for the person in office.... I figure the crooks have enough money, share the wealth...
     
  17. olefin

    olefin New Member

    Messages:
    3,908
    State:
    Texas
    Click here to see how your states District Representative voted.