2-stroke outboard motors

Discussion in 'Bubba's Outboards' started by crackers, Jan 30, 2008.

  1. crackers

    crackers New Member

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    Not sure where to post this but it does have to do with outboards, I was talking with a fishing buddy of mine and he said he heard that they were giong to ban the 2-stroke outboard motors on some of the lakes, and in a few years would ban them from being used on most all lakes in the united states. I disagreed with him because there are a lot of motors that still run fine and are 2-stroke engines. he said they were going to make ppl to change over to the 4-stroke. The 4-stroke does not pollute the lakes like the 2-stroke does.

    Has any one heard any thing on this rumer or what truth is in this, I would like to know..
     
  2. loanwizard

    loanwizard Well-Known Member

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    I think that is a little premature. I too heard the rumor, but with the advent of Evinrudes ETech line, 2 strokes may again take over the market. I wouldn't throw away that two stroke yet.
     

  3. Bubbakat

    Bubbakat New Member

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    That rumor has been floating around for around 15 years now.
    Now if any of you guys have some good 2 stroke motors that you want to throw away then give me a shout I will be more then glad to take that polluting machine off your hands. :big_smile:


    Just watch the state of calipornia and they will ban every thing first just to be at the head of the line.:wink:
     
  4. catfishcrazy256

    catfishcrazy256 New Member

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    JUST A RUMOR FOR NOW !!!!!!
     
  5. krowbar

    krowbar New Member

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    that will never happen in our lifetime.
     
  6. BKS72

    BKS72 New Member

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    Works for me, I fish the rivers:wink: No problem with buying motors cheap because they're outlawed on the lakes:smile2:

    Just kidding. I don't think it will come to pass. Like Bubba says, that's been a fear for a long time now.
     
  7. Old Bill

    Old Bill New Member

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    Well, i sure hope that you guys are not the kind that would kill the bearer of bad news....or are you??:embarassed:

    In California there are already several lake that either outright ban, or restrict 2-stroke outboard motors...as well as PWC.

    Lake Tohoe has banned 2-strokes for several years. A list of other lakes can be found at:

    http://www.dbw.ca.gov/Environmental/TwoStroke/TSList.aspx

    Frankly, I'm not smart enough to understand what I read on that site, but, it didn't sound good!:sad2:

    By the way...I'm moving tonight...so don't come looking to lynch me! I'm one of the good old boys who love 2-stroke motors!:tounge_out:

    Bill
     
  8. BKS72

    BKS72 New Member

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    As long as they ban 4 stroke PWCs as well, that's OK in my book :wink:. I don't even know if there's any catfish in Tahoe:smile2:

    Like the gun guys say, they'll have to pry my two stroke off my cold, dead boat....Actually, if they ban 2 strokes we could probably get a lobby together to get a subsidy to buy new 4 strokes, kind of like the gov't helping people get the converter boxes when tv goes all digital:smile2:
     
  9. Mark J

    Mark J New Member

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    2 stroke advancement has come a long way.
    The E-Tec for example exceeds the pollution guidelines and if I'm not mistaken, less polluting then some of the 4 strokes.

    Right now I would have to go with an E-Tec.
    I have the feeling the verdict isnt in on the 4 strokes just yet.
    There is an aweful lot of 40 year old 2 strokes still motoring along.
    4 strokes have alot more moving parts and I imagine in alot instances with the 4 strokes in the smaller horsepowers you would be better off buying new then rebuilding.

    A 2 stroke engine is a mechanically simple engine. 4 strokes aren't. Its a car engine on a lower unit.
     
  10. Foxhound

    Foxhound New Member

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    I went with one of the new merc. four strokers on my new pontoon boat and can honestly say that it runs like a herd of turtles and will be replaced shortly !!!!!!
     
  11. fishingbuddy4

    fishingbuddy4 New Member

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    I wouldnt worry about outlawing two strokes ,they do not produce that much pollution ,the goverment have alot more other things to worry about putting out pollution.
     
  12. captain kirko

    captain kirko New Member

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    Here is what I found on the 2 stroke engine.

    has a steep up-hill battle before it becomes law.:wink:
    Think about how many other engines which are also 2 strokes?

    Motor cycles? ...etc..etc...

    http://www.rbbi.com/desks/regs/ca2439/capress.htm
     
  13. zappaf19

    zappaf19 New Member

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    Having an old tower of power Merc 2 stroke I can say yes it smokes. Sooner or later all / most of these motors will be gone. How many Model A's you see going down the road? A friend of mine has 2 pwc and I swear they smoke more than my merc, size per size.
    Bill
     
  14. river scum

    river scum New Member

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    i for one am sick of merc trying to force feed the public 4 strokes. IMO they are a loose loose deal. people see all those comercials and dont think for themselves, they just take it as truth!

    go e-tech go always be a johnnyrude guy lol
     
  15. catman fl

    catman fl New Member

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    I had a 2 stroke 1988 johnson 88 hp. had it pro rebuilt @ 2000$. If I went fishing I would use 6 to 7 gals of gas & the oil to go with it. I bought a new 90 hp yamaha 4 stroke. when I go fishing now I use about 1 1/2 gals of gas and no oil. when you sit and idle a 2 stroke you can see the gas & oil film on the water.as for motorcycles go I own one and the 08 have all the poulation equitment tha a car has. the only way you can buy one is with fuel injection. there is no way to change anything on the new bikes unless you go to the dealer.And yes there is some lake here in fl. that has band outboards.

    robin-----catman fl
     
  16. Laker2

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    Hey guys- Mercury Optimax motors are 2-strokes-Also Tohatsu/Nissan from 40 HP up are all 2 strokes- RESEARCH these motors- All you ever hear about is E-TECH but 2-stroke motors are a long way from dead!!!!!!
     
  17. jim

    jim New Member

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    The problem here is the definition of 2-stroke.The new generation 2s are a completely different animal from the preceeding editions.I dont have time to research the actual dates today but essentially 2s made after 2000 are the new ones I refer to.California has the most stringent enviromental rules of any state and I believe the CARB (Cal air req brd?) requiremnts are what outboard manufacturers strive to meet.OLD 2 strokes were bad polluters,no question about it and yes you could actually see the oil on the water.MOST of those were carburateur models.The reason they pollute is that because of their nature, the cylinder opens the exhaust port before complete combustion and the unburned mix is expelled into the air and water.ALL the new 2s are HPDI models,in fact I dont thinkyou can buy a carb model anymore just like you cant find any carbs on auto/trucks anymore.By directing the fuel /oil mix into the cylinders under high pressure injection complete combustion takes place so when the exhaust port opens there isnt any waste to expell.Thats me the non expert explaining the process.E-TECS have a magazine ad that says they are the ONLY outboard engine cleared to operate on Lake Constance or Geneva I cant remember which,in Switzerland.ALL new generation 2s meet the California 3 star CARB rating,And will meet the new 4 star requirement.Optimaxs,ETEC etc are less polluting in some cases as MARK points out than current 4 stroke technology.2s have more Torgue which means better hole shot,are just as economical through a wider power/rpm, band,are significantly lighter in weight,and generally faster than 4s.What they AREN"t is as quiet.Currently 4s require more expensive maintenance and adjustments.I own and operate an Optimax and would like a new VERADO BUT the Verado weighs close to 600lbs and my transom only is rated to 500 so the OPTIMAX stays and I love it.I switched all my NAVY boats here at Lejeune to E-TECS and dont have to do Jack for maint for 3 years.plus we got the 6 yr extension.Havent had a problem yet.I have never had any problem with my Optimax.So when you speak of 2s be sure you define which 2s you mean.The point about Model Ts is also well taken as eventually all old carb 2s will pass from the scene,Before I would rebuild an old model I would seriously look at the new 2s or purchase a used new 2.Every boating magazine on the rack has tested the new 2s against 4s and the conclusion is that the new 2s have a lot of pluses over the 4s BESIDES they are also cheaper to purchase for the most part.WOrlds of material out there at the manufacturers websites and as usual the well read are the well informed.:smile2:Do you realy think BOMBARDIER and MERCURY would waste money on 2s if they thought they would be legislated out of existance?IN fact the new 2s have earned much praise from the enviromental community in general.It seems the day of the carb is virtually over,along with all those messy rebuild kits etc etc.To which I say good deal!!!!:crazy::big_smile::smile2:I would say that the VERADOS by virtue of their superchargers have closed the torque and top end speed gap significantly but unfortunately remain heavy although the second generation Verados have lightened up a good bit.SO study the available info then make your decisions.:smile2:
     
  18. Laker2

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    Very good post Jim- From what I've seen, new 2-strokes are a little cheaper than 4-strokes too. BUT they are all very high priced.
     
  19. Mark J

    Mark J New Member

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    Dont forget lighter too.
     
  20. Reel_Blues

    Reel_Blues New Member

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    Jerry i think your friend is probably right we have already seen some bans in Va. on some smaller lakes its just a matter of time for the big lakes to follow suit.:sad2: