Kat's Inquisition:

[catfish kenny]

I think everyone should read what you have here Matt befor they are in a situation like me....

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[kat in the hat]

John, I brought my checkbook. It's not late in the evening, and there is no football games on...even though I already know you don't watch football, I will be midful of those schedules just incase you decide to start. Oh, and Coltan is at school. I know I had that one bill that was late, and I hope that Sheila got in the mail on time.

Now that we got all that out of the way, I hope we are shored up. :wink: So, my mom always used to say that a dog can catch illnesses from us humans. Like the flu, colds, etc. All parasites aside (since they are a whole 'nother topic), what illnesses, that you know of, can be passed from canine to human, or from human to canine? Like viruses and such. Not just things from unsanitary conditions that we can both get sick from. Things that are actually communicable between the two of us.

[postbeetle]

You, lad ask a complicated question. Well, not complicated. Maybe technical. No not technical.

Perhaps lengthy is the word. The only person I know that likes lengthy is Nancy. We have gone through that countless times. We have settled on expeditious. Lengthy comes later, expeditious comes now.

So I will be back to give to give you an expeditious answer. Not that I am stalling ya, but I caught some trout today and gotta clean them. Nancy actually asked me to make dinner tonight. Gotta figure out what she will actually eat. So I am a busy boy. Will post tonight on this when all the good boys and girls are asleep and not as mouse is stirring, except Mac and me.

Later, John.

[Katatonik]

Matt, have you ever heard this little saying:"If you have respect for civil
law or a liking for sausage, you should never watch either of them made."
It was one of my maternal grandfather's favorite observations translated
from the flawless High German he was taught as a child. I miss him still.

[Kat-tamer]

Matt didn't tell you guys what kind of compromise was made with the city about our dog laws. I think they are pretty good cause they pertain to all pets.

1. Dogs must be on a 6ft. leash (or shorter) if off the owners property.
2. $500 automatic fine if you pet (dog or cat) bites or Scratches a person or other animal.
3. All animals must be licensed.
4. no more than 4 pets per household (dogs and cats) unless you have a breeders license

There is more, but I can't think of it right now. I know they fine the heck out of you every time they can.

[Kat-tamer]

Ok, so I messed up and posted before I got done yakking!

Any how, here is another senerio of what can happen....

Kids were keeping an un-licensed dog for a friend of theirs. Seems the friend came over one day to take the dog for a car ride, didn't put him on a leash from house to car.:ooooh: Neighbor was outside across the street with her dog in her yard. Neighbors dog ran across street barking and growling. Friends dog met it in the street and the fight was on. Stupid neighbor reaches into the middle of a dog fight to grab her dog. Friends dog unintentionally bites her trying to get her dog.

Ending....
Friends dog was deemed by the city as vicious. Kids got a ticket for having an unlicensed dog, dig biting a person ($500), dog was put down due to financial reasons. I believe that by the time they actually went to court it cost somewhere around $1400 and the dog was dead.

Neighbor got a ticket for dog being off property without a leash.:crazy:

Now this whole thing could have been prevented with a leash and a license. However, the city made sure that the fines were high enough that it wasn't gonna be worth it to keep the dog alive. The city also post-poned the court date (conveinently) till after the dog was to be put down. So, technically, that dog never had his day in court.
Plus the friend had to pay the doctors bill for the idiot neighbor who reached into a dog fight!!!

So, better to be safe than sorry. If you got a dog, no matter what breed, take care to keep them out of trouble. They are just like a kid......waiting for you to turn your back so they can do what they aint supposed to.:wink::smile2:

[kat in the hat]

John. You take your time John. The question was in the nature of conversation. Of coarse, I would like to know, and you are a good guy to have around so I can pick your brain. I love all things pertaining to animals. I don't, however, have what it takes to be a professional. I can't really think of anything that I would be good at...and enjoy...in the animal department. There are things that vets do that I just couldn't do...mentally, and physically. I really have a great deal of respect for you having been a veterinarian. Should you grow weary of my inquisition, I would not fault you.

Matt, have you ever heard this little saying:"If you have respect for civil
law or a liking for sausage, you should never watch either of them made."
It was one of my maternal grandfather's favorite observations translated
from the flawless High German he was taught as a child. I miss him still.

Michael, I have not heard that exact saying. When I worked at Oscar Mayer, people would say "I bet you'll never eat another hotdog." or "If I knew what was in that, I probably wouldn't eat it." BUT, I can vouch for the fact that there is nothing in an Oscar Mayer hotdog that you wouldn't throw in your skillet or crock pot. No guts, feet, lips, or a-holes. Just lean meat...and fat. Since the fat content has to be closely controlled, the meat is very lean, and the fat is pure. Pure white gelatinous fat. Now, the fat could be rendered from snouts, or whatever, that I don't know, but it is clean, "pretty" fat if you catch my drift. Nothing to be afraid of. I make all sorts of sausages now. They can hardly be compared to the old world varieties though. When you cut a pork butt into steaks, there is a "tail" piece that really can't be utilized except for grinding up. That is what we use to make sausage. I can imagine that in the old days, or in other countries, the ingredients would be intimidating. There are some that I would like to try if I ever escape to surly bounds of the USA. I ain't skeerd.

Good observation, and analogy though! :cool2:

[oh no]

I know this has nothing to do with dogs or making hot dogs.

A friend of mine worked at a cannery that did/made sour kraut. LOL LOL His job was to skim the vats. He had like a pool screen on a pole, that he skimmed the worm parts off the top with. Bug parts, lol:smile2: ,floating worms, :smile2:lol.

He could not eat sour kraut. lol

[Katatonik]

Along the line of law and sausages: when one has an intimate understanding
of any work of the hand or the mind, the tendency is to see flaws long
after they have been corrected. Look at the plight of the fellow that removed
the cabbage worms from the cooking tank. He could only see the worm parts
he was responsible to remove. The sauerkraut that he made was much
improved by his effort, but he could not enjoy the quality of the final product
since what he saw was an image of a scumy mass of floating bug parts.
The law is worse. If you slip up doing that, you will perpetuate injustice that
may be continued long after you are dust for no other good reason than
you caused it to be written in that fashion. The children make a mistake,
the dog acts like a dog, the fool is bitten, and misery comes to all. The
kernal at the center of this is the conviction that no poor man should live
without fear in this town. The bad law causes more problems than it solves.

[postbeetle]

Matt: You asked about dogs. Let me take the liberty to expand that just a bit. It could be expanded into a book here, but I won't do that. As far as the dog thing goes, think about Rabies, that is a Zoonosis from dogs to humans.

Ah, the first big fancy $10 word. Zoonosis. = The transferring of a disease from one species to another, most usually when the word is used, meant to indicate transmission from animals to humans. Passed when alive, or passed when dead, or passed when handling, or passed when eating, or passed when defecating or urinating or passed when used as a bioterrorism agent or simply from one Govt or another making enough of something to drop it on an enemies head.

Of a long list, have you guys ever heard of:

Rabbit fever, Bird fever, Lyme disease, Tuberculosis, Cholera, Mad Cow Disease, Brucellosis, Anthrax, Avian flu, Fish handlers Disease, Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever? These are just some Zoonoses we get from our buddies or those things we go out to kill or raise so we can get food and fiber from them.

Again just a short list. Animals become the vectors, the repository, the package that when opened lets the critters that cause these diseases to be released. If it walks crawls flies or swims it can be a vector. Here we are just talking about bacteria, viruses, fungus and a couple of other goodies. They make us sick and they will kill us. Parasites, worms for instance, are another whole category. Actually parasites cause people more harm and heartache than those other things talked about above.

Right now that is. You see the things that can really wipe us out from vectors is man himself. Most these dieases are regional or geographic or seasonal. The problem comes from "we the people" messing with them. And they are messing with them a lot.

Psittacosis, Hantaviruses, Anthrax, Plague, Tularemia (That Rabbit Fever thing), Q Fever, Avian flu. Just a few that will kill all of us. They are making them stronger and stronger so they can be put in the air, or the water, or the food. BioWarfare that is called.

Anyhow just a little that could be a lot. You don't get this stuff and can't get it and fortunately we don't get it like we get the paper everyday. So don't go getting paranoid here. If they are your pets, or income or hobby or something you hunt or fish for have it at the back of your mind. Most people on this forum are outdoorsy. That means ticks, rodents, feces and urine, soil from gardens can kill you; but obviously if you are reading this you ain't dead yet. (Well, some of us anyhow)

I remember a Bacteriology and Virology Lab in School a long time ago and far away. The professor placed a rack of test tubes and vials and agar plates on the desk at the front. He divided us into groups and had one of us from each group select one of these things. Our job was to identify it from a variety of ways. I went to get a vial for our group. I turned and it fell out of my hand and shattered on the floor. If you could have filmed that classroom it would have become an instant classic on U-Tube. It was like someone yelling "incoming", only in an opposite way. Instant silence. no movement, people even quit breathing. You see that tube that I dropped and shattered on the floor was Anthrax. WoooBoy, that stuff can be transmitted airborne. It is amazing that I didn't get S...canned that day. But that Prof liked me. I answered a question he asked of me before admittance to Vet School that no one else out of 500 applicants got right.

Might tell ya that story sometime in another place.

Later, John.